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Michael Q Trucks

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Not yet notable WP:MUSICBIO or WP:NACTOR. None of the sources cited mention him, apart from MusicBrainz and IMDb. The IMDB link says he's a "distant cousin" of Derek and Butch Trucks, but on Wikipedia notability is not inherited. Couldn't find any coverage of him in independent reliable sources. Film roles so far are all minor. Draft:Michael Q. Trucks by article creator was speedy deleted as spam. Photo in infobox was uploaded by the (so far) single-purpose account Realtrueentertainment, unclear what the connection is. Borderline db-bio and db-spam: see also creator's user talk. Wikishovel (talk) 07:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Boi's

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Fails WP:BAND. The author seems to be in a conflict of interest as well. HueMan1 (talk) 01:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Against Nature (band)

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OK, let's see what has happened here.

This article was created in 2007 by Nothingagainst
The Sputnikmusic website tells us that it was a side-project of the band Revelation, and went on to release a number of albums and EPs under the "Against Nature" name.
Encyclopaedia Metallum tells us pretty much the same

Given this article's long existence on en.wp, perhaps an articles for deletion discussion might be preferable to outright speedy deletion? Please do note that I am not suggesting Sputnikmusic and Encyclopaedia Metallum are reliable sources, but they possibly hint at some possibility of a "keep" or "redirect" outcome here. That said, my !vote is: fails WP:GNG, WP:BAND and any number of other policies and guidelines. Let's see what happens. Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I'd suggest to merge this article with that of Revelation, but 1) that article already mentions Against Nature 2) the Revelation article is also unsourced, and 3) "Revelation" is a terrible term to search for because it's not generic. Leaning delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cortador (talk • contribs) 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Merge to Revelation (band). This is an odd story, as it looks like Revelation temporarily changed their name to Against Nature then changed it back, possibly due to contractual problems forcing them to self-release new material under a different name. This article's text about how Against Nature formed is largely taken from this uncited source: [1]. They soon relaunched Revelation, and Against Nature achieved little notability as a stand-alone act, so the whole temporary hiccup in their history can be described briefly at Revelation's article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

J. Greg Miller

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A classical musician who has played as a member of some orchestras and bands and now is a private music teacher. Appears to fail WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Google search finds a few limited mentions but without significant coverage. Only this bio from his college quintet provides some coverage for a career that does not appear to pass the notability standard. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 00:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Damn Personals

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Non-notable band with a bio that's been completely unsourced for its entire existence. Band member Anthony Rossomando is notable but has his own page. Jprg1966 ^(talk) 03:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Probably keep. I only looked for reviews online (excluding Newspapers.com), but found published material of varying length:

Ox-Fanzine [2]

de:Visions [3]

Punk Planet [4] (short)

CMJ New Music [5]

Boston Phoenix [6]

Impact Press [7] (short)

In Music We Trust 1 [8] (short)

In Music We Trust 2 [9] (short)

Allmusic biography (very short) - also mentioning blog, unreliable

I'm also taking into consideration that this is what has survived on the Internet, from a time period where much has been wiped out. Geschichte (talk) 20:15, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The above sourcing is sufficient to pass WP:MUSIC. Chubbles (talk) 06:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bus (group)

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Non-notable band. Article was moved from draft space and I originally returned it. After examining the article I noticed that it claim the band started 6 December 2023. However, the the only reference was published 2 February 2021. This was at least 17 months before auditions started. In addition the reference seemed to be about three young women and not twelve young men. The article provides no references for a band that has only released two singles and was created by a non-notable reality show, 789 SURVIVAL. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:19, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The citation currently in the article was clearly incorrectly inserted, probably the result of an inappropriate copy/paste job. But may I remind the nominator that Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. A Google News search for BUS 789 Survival turns up plenty of Thai-language coverage. (I'm not !voting keep just yet due to quality concerns raised by the aforementioned copy/pasting). --Paul_012 (talk) 02:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but as said the band does not appear to be notable. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muuse Ismaciil Qalinle

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Contested PROD. The sources do not demonstrate notability under WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, or WP:NMUSIC. (The first source is some kind of WP:USERGENERATED list of MP3 files, the second source has a single WP:TRIVIALMENTION of the subject, and the third fails verification entirely, referencing an entirely different individual with the patronym "Qalinle.") Edited to add: an editor has added a reference to Somali Culture and Folklore, pages 63-64. I do not believe this is a valid reference; the book itself is 64 pages and according to Google Books pages 63 and 64 appear to be index pages; Qalinle does not appear as a search term. Additional qualifying sources were not found in my WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Spanish musicians

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WP:SALAT, the scope of the list is too broad. There are more than 2300 pages in Category:Spanish musicians, this list is useless without further subdivision. Broc (talk) 21:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Could be subdivided alphabetically when needed Atlantic306 (talk) 21:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Template:Musicians by country shows these articles are common, wouldn't make sense to have one country not on the list. Being incomplete is not a valid reason to delete any article, nor is the arguments "its useless". If there was a bot someone could run to grab basic information from the infoboxes of the articles linked to, and add that to table formation, years active, what type of music they play, etc, it'd be more useful. Dream Focus 00:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My argument is not that the list is incomplete. A list of 2300 entries would be far too wieldy, and the potential entries that do not yet have a Wikipedia article are even more. According to WP:SALAT Lists that are too general or too broad in scope have little value, unless they are split into sections, hence my comment about the usefulness of the list. In particular, I am concerned by having an endless and incomplete list of blue links, with no additional information, and no curation. The argument "these articles are common" is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Most of these lists were created in the early years of Wikipedia (when they maybe contained only a handful of entries) and have been kept per status quo, but now have no reason to exist. Broc (talk) 17:15, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The size of a list is never a valid reason for deletion. Many list simply break off into smaller list when they get too large. List of aircraft, Lists_of_stars#By_proximity, etc. Dream Focus 00:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRIT -- more specifically, poorly defined inclusion criteria -- what does originating from Spain mean? If a person is born in Spain but moves to another country at an early age, does that count? Or vice versa? What about at a later age? What about citizenship change? What about very old entries where "Spain" then wasn't the same as "Spain" now? Using modern political boundaries as a subdivider is inherently problematic, which brings to my next point -- this is also an unencyclopedic cross-categorization. There's no end to the different combination of ways you could subdivide. Is this using "musician" to subdivide a "list of Spaniards", or is it using "Spanish" to subdivide a "list of musicians"? Why not by style/genre instead? Or birth year? Or alphabetical? This sort of random intersection of properties is best left for Wikidata. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This debate is probably going to end with "no consensus" due to conflicting WP policies. This list of Spanish musicians probably violates WP:SALAT and WP:LISTCRIT because it's just a poorly-defined and never-ending pile of blue links. On the other hand, different WP policies would support this article's existence because of many similar list articles found at Template:Musicians by country. But if you browse all the other country lists, most of them have the exact same problems as this one. I submit that this is a bigger policy challenge beyond assessing the usefulness of this list about Spain, but an AfD discussion almost never results in deeper discussions of larger policy conflicts. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Doomsdayer520 I do not see any conflicting policy. I see WP:SALAT and WP:LISTCRIT showing that this stand-alone list should not exist because too broad in coverage and with no clear inclusion criterion. I even see troubles with WP:NLIST as I could not find a single source that publishes a full list of Spanish musicians. I see many entries in Template:Musicians by country that could possibly deleted under the same arguments. Those lists have varied levels of curation and subcategorization, hence might deserve separate discussions. What would you suggest is the right forum for discussion, if not AfD? Broc (talk) 17:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miou Miou

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Does not meet WP:BAND criteria. Unreferenced, just like the cswiki version. FromCzech (talk) 10:36, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Poorly-formatted too... What's the point of creating a Wikipedia article if the creator can't find any sources containing significant coverage? By the way, I kinda like that you mentioned the state of corresponding article in the subject's original language! ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Actress with this name, nothing about a musical group found. Literally no sources anywhere that I can see. Oaktree b (talk) 12:22, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As Oaktree b, I couldn't find any coverage about the band and not the actress. No indication that it meets WP:NBAND. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:28, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There's no evidence of significant coverage in independent sources. Waqar💬 17:18, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mayday (American band)

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Does not appear to meet WP:NMUSIC. One of their album articles has one source that reviews the album and that's all I can find. Do not confuse this band with Mayday (Taiwanese band) or ¡Mayday!, two other bands that are both actually notable * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. For starters, the Allmusic link in the article shows both a sizeable band biography and sizeable reviews of all three of their albums. Then, when I search for a review of their second album and Pitchfork shows up as the first Google hit, I don't need any further reinforcement to know the band meets WP:BAND#1. Geschichte (talk) 09:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since Pitchfork was the sole source the nominator could find, as a courtesy I'm also adding the two other extant Pitchfork reviews, as well as the two reviews by Popmatters. Geschichte (talk) 09:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I can understand a WP:BEFORE search getting a little crossed up with noise from the other bands with the same name, but this group was widely covered in its day, as one would have expected from a Saddle Creek Records band. The album articles were recently redirected to this band page, and they should be restored; their 2005 release, for instance, meets WP:NALBUM with [10], [11], [12]. Chubbles (talk) 16:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cruisers Rock Combo

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 15:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Hairbrain Scheme

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fails WP:NMUSIC, article is built heavily on puffery, and is unsourced. Free Realist 9 (talk) 11:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can't find any evidence that this band were popular outside of Santa Barbara – any reviews I find are from local media [13], [14]. As far as I can see, they released one mini-album in 2006 and one full-length album in 2008, both on non-notable labels, before splitting up... Singer Grant Parsons' contact details suggest the band was active until January 2008 [15], I can find social media posts from 2009 saying "I miss this band" and their website was dead by 2011, according to the Wayback Machine. Richard3120 (talk) 15:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not meet Wikipedia's notability, it lacks enough credible information and sources to prove the band's importance.Yakov-kobi (talk) 20:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks ok to delete. Haven't looked very hard but ProQuest yields very few hits when you search for "Harebrain Scheme" and "band". Did find one mention in a 2007 newspaper in Eugene, Oregon, but it's literally just a passing mention about an upcoming gig – so little information, in fact, that it's not entirely clear that it's the same band. Please ping me if sources are found. Cielquiparle (talk) 09:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is the same band, but they appear to have been the second support act on another band's tour [16], so it doesn't really make them notable. Richard3120 (talk) 12:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Would also point out that the Daily Nexus (referenced above) is a student newspaper so doesn't count toward notability. Cielquiparle (talk) 02:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Helms

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Fails WP:MUSICIAN. No sources to speak of. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Julio Foolio

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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. No indication of awards or charted songs. No notable biographical details prior to his death. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete we don't need every ganga rapper who have been shot dead. Not notable enough — Iadmc ♫^talk 11:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

if you actually do research you would now he has bean a notable artist in Florida since about 2018 2600:8805:D1B:7500:1322:CAB:414A:D0A0 (talk) 19:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC) - — 2600:8805:D1B:7500:1322:CAB:414A:D0A0 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete: Doesn't pass musical notability; coverage is only about his death. I gave up after 20 pages in Gnews trying to find mentions of him before his passing. Simply not a notable performer. Oaktree b (talk) 16:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida. Jattlife121 (talk) 20:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NMUSIC. Another no-name rapper whose death has made more headlines than his (non-notable) music. Dead rappers always make headlines no matter how obscure they are. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 22:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps this article should be about his death? It got major coverage in many major outlets. Thriley (talk) 22:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida especially in Jacksonville and through the south. He has many notations in different news articles. Foolio is also is featured on Pimp of the Nation album by Natalac Featuring international recording artist sean paul, grammy award winning Project Pat, Three 6 Mafia Member La Chat, Pastor Troy, Ying Yang Twins, Keak da Sneak to name a few who all are very Notable rappers Yameka (talk) 03:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

His death is certainly covered but his music and life? We need sources for these.@Yameka — Iadmc ♫^talk 06:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

https://www.abnewswire.com/pressreleases/pimp-of-the-nation-a-sensational-new-hiphop-album-by-natalac-to-be-released-on-presidents-day-2192018_184054.html Yameka (talk) 00:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yameka (talk • contribs) 23:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.allmusic.com/album/pimp-of-the-nation-mw0003174654

https://www.allmusic.com/album/pimp-of-the-nation-mw0003174654#credits

https://www.makinitmag.com/updates/natalac/2018/03/djs-says-natalac-pimp-nation-lp-classic-material

https://g.co/kgs/m6zgJcJ

Also there are Radio Edit and Explicit versions released Pimp of the Nation & Pimp of the Nation (Radio Edit)

This project was released Presidents Day 2018 aka feb 19th 2018 in hard copies throughout the south and online on all platforms Yameka (talk) 23:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

News Article .. First Coast News contacted Jacksonville Rapper Natalac and got his and the sheriff of Jacksonville input on Julio Foolio outcome. Natalac with his decades of experince with Hip Hop & younger rappers he worked with through messages through music.. he chose Foolio for his 11th Studio Album with grammy award winners etc. with their song Bridge This Gap a song to send a positive message. On natalac Pimp of the Nation. going by this article

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbEiSj5yhHA

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/jacksonville-rapper-natalac-experience-with-foolio/77-6c775f01-b3bf-4232-8611-36190b187882 Yameka (talk) 00:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yameka Don't double or triple-vote, please. Bremps... 04:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok i fixed that. Good day Yameka (talk) 07:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Artist is fails notability guidelines. There's barely any coverage I could find apart from his death. ~~I do think we could have an article about his death like @Thriley suggested, though.~~ DaCrashy (T.C.) 16:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:ONEEVENT. --Magnolia677 (talk) 18:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Interesting how all the “keep” votes are repeating the “he’s notable because he’s from Florida” mantra, and verbatim to boot (“Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida”). Florida does not represent the entire country. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 19:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or indeed the world! — Iadmc ♫^talk 04:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. While BIO1E and 1E are extremely important these don't apply here. Wikipedians apply these too much after violent deaths. In a way this makes sense. It's an unusual feature. Still, we should work by policy and guidelines. The keep is by GNG. gidonb (talk) 15:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG. Foolio was the subject of multiple independent coverage even before his death. In 2019, Vulture.com, in reviewing Never Wanted Fame, wrote the mixtape "establishes Foolio as one of the most gripping, irresistible rappers working today." In 2021, Vice credited Foolio, along with Yungeen Ace, as playing a leading role in popularizing rap versions of pop songs. His feuds with other rappers have been covered by Atlanta Black Star [17] among others, and he received significant coverage in a 2021 Complex.com article on the Jacksonville rap community. [18]. Police blotter news articles about his shootings and death can fill in the gaps for a concise, neutral, and fair biography that is fully compliant with all WP policies. --Animalparty! (talk) 17:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no point in creating an article for someone who was irrelevant as a rapper when alive and a gangster 103.75.195.51 (talk) 02:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article has been significantly improved since nomination. Passes GNG. Thriley (talk) 04:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've spent the past hour removing all the original research and unsourced content shovelled in yesterday as part of the "improvement". Magnolia677 (talk) 10:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still think he meets GNG based on the material Animalparty collected. Thriley (talk) 15:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Rapper is notable and article has been improved a lot. Elektrinhooo (talk) 09:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

foolio was already famous in florida, js gained more traction after he died like every other rapper gets killed Tabratic (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep worked with famous producer Zaytoven, viral diss tracks, multiple articles and videos covering Foolio and the jacksonville gang war.

Tabratic (talk) 14:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not notable enough and makes the same music as any gangsta rapper — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.75.195.51 (talk) 18:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: every gangsta rapper talks about the same stuff in their music. most of what’s popular today is “gangsta rap”

Tabratic (talk) 19:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: that doesnot mean they should have their own page especially when his songs were not even blowin upp 103.75.195.51 (talk) 04:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nolan McGuire

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. A possible alternative to deletion would be a redirect, but I'm not sure what would be the best target. toweli (talk) 07:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AbdolReza Razmjoo

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A previous article on this person was deleted at AFD in 2020. This one is different enough such that CSD G4 doesn't apply, but I still don't think he has received enough significant coverage in reliable sources to meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. DanCherek (talk) 21:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Only sources I find are where to stream his songs. what's used now in the article doesn't seem helpful, a registration number and his own website, then some allmusic listings. Lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 03:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't delete: He is a composer and expert of Iranian radio and television, as well as the composer of several symphonies and film scores2A01:5EC0:781E:549C:99AD:7DEB:D56:1127 (talk) 01:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leo (band)

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There are a couple of marginal reviews of the band's album Nightmares, but not much else, nothing that suggests WP:BAND is satisfied. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I don't find any good-quality sources to use in the article, and Leo doesn't seem to meet any of the provisions in WP:NBAND. Geschichte (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mama Lion

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBAND. Sources only mentioned in passing. Don't appear to have any charted or had a significant impact. Mdann52 (talk) 11:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Coverage in newspapers. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 14:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most of that appears unrelated to the band. Mdann52 (talk) 14:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ATD: Merge or redirect to Lynn Carey, although that article has several issues on its own. Geschichte (talk) 19:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anima (band)

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Fails WP:BAND — doesn't appear to have "been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself". Popcornfud (talk) 07:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: possibly redirect to lead singer Ceylan Ertem? The band is mentioned in her article, and she seems to be individually notable. I don't think this group itself passes WP:NBAND, having only released one album in their short career. Richard3120 (talk) 15:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wo Wo

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I took a some time to dig sources and find the reason why this article meets WP:NSONG but can't find either. The song topped a non notable chart and hasn't been covered significantly in reliable news sources. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The song fails WP:NSONG and has not been discussed in reliable sources. The artist himself isn't notable. Apple Music chart is not a reliable chart. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There's no mention of coverage in established news sources or discussions by music critics. Waqar💬 17:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep, because a redirect to Minz (a DAB that doesn't include the artist here) isn't an option. Native Mag has some coverage, and Bella Naija has an interview with Minz about the song. Walsh90210 (talk) 01:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Native magazine source you linked here is primarily about the artist and not the song. Although it mentions the song and is a useful source, it is not enough to warrant a stand-alone article. The song fails all of the criterion outlined in WP:NSONG. The Bella Naija source is an interview and isn't independent of the subject. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 15:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as there does not appear to be significant coverage from third-party, reliable sources and there is not a viable redirect target. Aoba47 (talk) 19:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:NSONG. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 04:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zuby Nehty

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Does not meet WP:BAND criteria. The article is also poorly sourced. FromCzech (talk) 08:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sigcov here: Opavsky Denik, Ceska televize, Novinky, Proglas, Lidovky... Clearly keep. Jdcooper (talk) 00:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Freaky Tah

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Fails WP:NMUSIC. Not notable enough for own article (no content therein outside of his death) with no individual discography or independent coverage. If not outright deletion, a redirect to Lost Boyz will suffice. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 22:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Lost Boyz: I don't see enough for Freaky Tah to have his own article. Redirect is fine. Oaktree b (talk) 23:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Lost Boyz. He achieved no notability outside the group. All media coverage specifically mentioning him is actually about his murder, but that tragedy does not satisfy the notability requirements at WP:VICTIM. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:01, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VL Mike

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Fails WP:NMUSIC as individual artist. Connected purely to Chopper City Boyz with no notable coverage or discography, and like Freaky Tah, any ongoing coverage centers around his death more than his music. Redirect to Chopper City Boyz if not outright deletion. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 23:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wacotron

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Fails WP:NMUSIC with no viable independent coverage. Subject has no notable discography or label work and no chart activity, and article sources are primary. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 23:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Well, all four used in the article are RS, but the interview and the "listen to his music" don't help notability. The last two are trivial coverage and these are about all I can find, so not enough for musical notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's basically what I meant but I didn't do a good job verbalizing it. The sources are reliable but the content itself reads like it's primary (promotional in tone/press releases). 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 16:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Zero WP:SIGCOV. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 03:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Apart from working with Marshmello, subject appears to fail notability. —Mjks28 (talk) 12:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree with Oaktree's analysis; there are sources that mention the subject, but none of the coverage appears significant enough to confer clear notability. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rob DePaola

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. I'm not sure what would be the better redirect target of the two bands mentioned in the article. toweli (talk) 14:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to The Honor System (band), as that band seemed to accomplish a little more. I'm not sure if his other band (The Broadways) is notable either. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dwaram Bhavanarayana Rao

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This seems to be a case of WP:INHERITED notability, given people largely talk about him in relation to his father. I can't check two of the sources here (and one is a WP:NOBITS) but the one I could find, as well as my searches of the internet returned no new sources for WP:GNG. Allan Nonymous (talk) 19:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I find this [19] and this [20] which I think is the same person that is the subject of the wiki article. Name or portions of the name seem to be very common, so it's hard to determine notability in sources. Oaktree b (talk) 00:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carlos Malcolm (composer)

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Two different Carlos Malcolms, the other of whom invented Ska music, make it hard to source this one. Doesn't seem very notable though. — Iadmc ♫^talk 18:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep The article currently cites two sources. I think this article provides significant coverage. The book Cuban Music from A to Z has a passing mention on page 65 and a one-paragraph description on page 129. I can provide the excerpt if needed. I think it could be given similar weight to a dictionary of national biography, where inclusion alone indicates notability. I also found this, a statement from a Cuban embassy, and this SPS (possible from a subject-matter expert), which don't count for much. This isn't a lot, but he's definitely a real musician who's composed some stuff and has probably had some musical impact. Toadspike [Talk] 19:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More marginally helpful sources: [21] (kinda self-published, again might be a SME), this (not sure if it's about the right guy). Toadspike [Talk] 19:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also found two mentions in this book chapter, one of which cites a paper as "Brouwer, “La vanguardia en la música cubana,” Boletín Música no. 1 (1970): 3". I cannot find that paper anywhere. Although these are just passing mentions, they confirm that Malcolm was part of the "1960s Cuban musical vanguardia" and moved to Poland (which was apparently common for Cuban musicians, as Poland was less "conservative" than alternatives in socialist Eastern Europe). Toadspike [Talk] 10:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Toadspike. Not sure how helpful these are as they are just passing mentions. Keep looking though! — Iadmc ♫^talk 10:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Melody & Harmony

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Not yet notable per WP:BAND, with no significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, just a few album reviews on music blogs. Wikishovel (talk) 05:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify: One look at their Spotify page will show you they have 2 monthly listeners, clearly not WP:N. However, I don't want to be too rash when arguing for delete, and in this case, I think we could draftify the article so it can be improved, and inevitably apply for submission if/when the band becomes more notable. —Mjks28 (talk) 11:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yasmin Lucas

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This article about a Brazilian singer covers the subject's early career as a child / teenage performer but not the later appearance as a contestant on The Voice Brasil, performing by then as Lais Yasmin. Although this article instance is sourced only to primary social media, its basic details are verifiable in this 2018 online article associated with The Voice appearance. However I don't see the evidence needed to meet the WP:MUSICBIO notability criteria. AllyD (talk) 09:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Also adding a source search for the subject's later performing name. AllyD (talk) 09:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sourcing now in the article is social media or primary sources. I don't find anything about this person. Nothing for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 11:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1) she's better known as Lais Yasmin. 2) for any user who wouldn't have been able to "find anything" (!!!!) secondary sources in reliable media exist, a quick look at other Wikipedias maybe? Examples https://gshow.globo.com/realities/the-voice-kids/2022/noticia/semifinalista-do-the-voice-brasil-lais-yasmin-se-emociona-ao-ver-sua-musica-no-kids-revivi-a-historia.ghtml or https://www.reportermt.com/geral/cuiabana-do-the-voice-quase-desistiu-de-cantar-apos-morte-do-pai/84988or https://entretenimento.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2018/08/30/nora-de-milton-neves-lais-yasmin-tem-casamento-marcado-depois-do-the-voice-brasil.htm or https://olivre.com.br/lais-yasmin-e-classificada-para-proxima-fase-do-the-voice-brasil. and there's much more... 3) anyway various ATDs exist, and should be considered, e.g. redirect to The Voice Brazil; but she's notable enough imv, so Keep.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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TwoTiime

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. No discography or chart activity, and no third-party independent coverage. Sources are all primary, consisting of promotional interviews, press releases, and subject's hometown publication (Ottawa Citizen). 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 04:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The Ottawa Citzen article was reliable, but there is no widespread coverage in reliable source about this person or their music. No charted songs or notable awards. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I created the article but I'll comment anyways. Meets WP:BASIC. There are at least two in-depth Complex articles ([22] [23]) - Complex is a recommended source at WP:A/S and is independent of the subject. There are many in-depth HipHopCanada articles ([24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30]) which are independent of the subject. There are multiple in-depth HotNewHipHop sources ([31] [32] [33] [34] [35] ) - HotNewHipHop is also a recommended source per WP:A/S. This isn't including the many Ottawa Citizen articles which are all independent and reliable, or any of the interviews that add little additional commentary. Doesn't have to meet a SNG if it meets GNG/BASIC. I don't see how this is controversial. C F A 💬 21:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another issue is that the article also reads like a promotional piece, with nothing therein showing why he’s actually notable. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 03:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A non-neutral tone is not a reason for deletion, though. It can be fixed through editing. I think it’s pretty clear the subject meets GNG, regardless of any SNGs that might apply. C F A 💬 10:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as per the multiple reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion by Clearfrienda that together shows significant coverage to pass WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: A little promo in an article is not a criteria for deletion except of blatant ones. I am sure of the articles presented per se from Complex. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:06, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rheji Burrell

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I am not sure how this article looked back in 2012 when the first AfD came about, but now the article is confusing because it doesn't seem to know whether it wants to be about Mr. Burrell alone or about him and his brother. At any rate, the article discusses a non-notable production team(?) whose own discography hasn't seen them ever having charted; and the list of albums that they supposedly produced for other artists isn't sourced. It doesn't help that the article reads like the brothers themselves wrote it. Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 04:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. In 2012, the article looked pretty much the same as now. It still needs work, obviously, but WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP. I see no reason to disagree with the earlier consensus on notability, which is not lost, and the adequate sourcing turned up in WP:BEFORE searches done during the first AfD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Beyond this [36], I don't find anything about this person or the pair of them. Oaktree b (talk) 02:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep exercising WP:AGF as in the first AfD linked at the top left of this discussion a respected editor Michig identified a number of book sources that convinced him it passed WP:GNG although a number of the links no longer work, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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