Talk:Sky (English/Australian band)

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What country are they from? Please answer this by adding as the first sentence: Sky is a (nationality) instrumental rock music band. moink 23:00, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

John Williams and Kevin Peek were born in Australia but lived mainly in London while they were part of Sky. AFAIK, Herbie Flowers, Francis Monkman and Tristan Fry are all English. So I've changed "an English based" (sic) to "a London-based". Chris Chittleborough 17:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Subjective? The departure of Francis Monkman led to his replacement by Steve Gray who took the band to a more jazz influenced sound. Subsequent albums saw a gradual dwindling in quality and success.--92.10.164.151 (talk) 14:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Francis Monkman "left Sky" - I wouldn't say this was 100% true. It depends on your definition of "left", but it's my recollection he was working on the music even if he wasn't touring with them. Someone should really check with the whole band as to whether he was considered a member.

Fjleonhardt (talk) 18:16, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Appears to be a liberal copy/paste from eg http://plum.cream.org/sky/sky3.htm without giving credit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.210.52 (talk) 02:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Just a FYI, IIRC 'Cannonball' was a minor UK hit in 1979, before 'Toccata' was released, IIRC it got to the bottom regions of the chart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.147.13 (talk) 20:36, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Minor nit. Their "Souped up electric treatment" was only of the Toccata from Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor, BVW 565. At 4:43 long, it can only be the Toccata. https://www.amazon.com/Toccata-Anthology-Remastered-Sky/dp/B0179IKZJG track 6. Meanwhile the whole piece by Bach is 9:15 long. https://www.amazon.com/Toccata-Fugue-Minor-BWV-565/dp/B000S4GHYG — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.70.198.59 (talk) 08:07, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 6 April 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 20:45, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

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Sky (band) → Sky (English/Australian band) – Doesn't appear to be sufficient for a PDAB, 3,726 views for this compared to 891 for the Canadian one and 218 for the American one[[1]]. Redirect back to Sky (disambiguation)#Music. Even though disambiguation here is problematic, partial disambiguation is even more so since its confusing to readers and editors. I welcome and suggestions for a better qualifier maybe Sky (1978–1995) per WP:BANDDAB? Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:34, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

• Comment The pageviews you shared show that Sky (band) gets about 3x more clicks than the other 2 combined, are you suggesting that this isn't enough for a primary topic? 162.208.168.92 (talk) 21:48, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

  This is for partial disambiguation which rarely have primary topics, although there was a RFC that did gain consensus back in 2019 the consensus was that the bar is higher than basename primary topics and it has since still been quite controversial with many editors opposing it and consensus has rarely allowed it, see Talk:Parasite (2019 film)#Requested move 2 September 2020. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:20, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

After reading these discussions and WP:PDAB, I Support as proposed. Disambiguation per country is best as per WP:BANDDAB, and it's an existing redirect too. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 15:28, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the whole PDAB thing was disruptive and basically only applies to Michael Jackson. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

• Automatic support no need to mention pageviews, the title is just plain wrong per WP:TITLE. See Sky (American band) and Sky (Canadian band). NB 162.208.168.92 nothing with a ( ) bracket can ever be a primary topic by definition. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:07, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Strong oppose [Sky (1978–1995)] .. if WP:BANDDAB really says that then it needs fixing. We've seen local-consensus errors on various pop music guidelines before. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:12, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:PRECISE as unnecessary. The graph of pageviews clearly shows that most people are looking for this band, with over 75% of pageviews. Since the other two bands are already directly linked from the hatnote, changing Sky (band) to a dab page helps literally no one, while inconveniencing the majority who are expecting this band. WP:DAB specifically allows for cases like this, and the 75%+ usage here is much higher than the simple majority required in most cases. Station1 (talk) 21:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

  75% is nowhere near a PDAB primary topic so fails WP:PRECISE. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:57, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Invalid oppose - agree with Crouch - we really need a rule that says must be Michael Jackson to break all en.wp rules. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:31, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

• Support: ~75% is definitely not enough to justify WP:INCOMPLETEDAB. Complete disambiguation is generally helpful to readers. — BarrelProof (talk) 16:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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