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Mario Kart: Double Dash

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Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch article reassessment page • Most recent review

Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On 5 March, Sergecross73 tagged this 2012 GA as needing cleanup, noting on the talk page that the article was "well below GA standards" and contained "unsourced content, trivia, sloppy stuff, etc." ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's in terrible shape - a victim of a decade plus of people slow degrading it into a worse status. I originally intended on cleaning it up myself, but I've lost interest and am focusing on other projects now, so that cleanup effort probably won't come from me anymore... Sergecross73 msg me 14:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roll back Why not just roll back the article to the last "GA-quality" version? It was fully-sourced at one point before a lot of cruft was added. The only part relevant to the modern day is a Kotaku listicle. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm open to that if someone wants to present a certain version to revert back to. Not much has happened with this game over the years - it hasn't been re-released, found a cult following, had much in the way of a retrospective commentary, etc. So there's probably not much concern about it being "outdated" if we were to do that. Sergecross73 msg me 15:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article was listed as a GA on 2 May 2012, and the adding of unsourced content began less than ten days afterwards. If rollback is needed, it would have to be to the version promoted to GA, which does not satisfy the current criteria (criterion 2b), for example). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, fair, even the GA version is a bit light on sourcing. (Sorry Salv.) Sergecross73 msg me 23:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Went ahead and fixed the gameplay section on a whim, so there's that chunk of work done. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 21:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sergecross73 do you think the fix is good enough to keep the GA status? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say so personally. The reception section is still lacking even with the one paragraph I added to it, and I've been too lazy lately to fix it further. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 17:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nature

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Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch article reassessment page • GAN review not found

Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Several uncited sections, including entire paragraphs. Sources in the "Further reading" section should be explored for their use in the article as inline citations or removed. Z1720 (talk) 20:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the GA status. I went through and counted, finding 23 paragraphs without a single source. That would be an automatic declination of standard GAN.

Beyond this I have to question the coherence and relevance of grouping such a vast range of topics into one page. It is almost as if this page covers everything which has nature in the name. For instance I don't see how Microbes, Lakes and Matter and Energy belong together. I noticed that back in 2023 it was marked as a WP:COATRACK but this tagging was removed. I think it should not have been.

N.B., as I write this I noticed that some edits are taking place.Ldm1954 (talk) 06:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the GA status: The problem with the article is that instead of systematically analysing the concept of 'Nature', it for the most part (90% of the text) blankly assumes one naive definition (the physical environment, implying what a philosopher might call Naive realism) and then lavishly describes that instead of the article's proper subject, i.e. the article is 85% off-topic, and 50% uncited at that (i.e. I more than agree with User:Ldm1954). The GA status is at the moment wholly unjustifiable. Worse, the article Nature (philosophy) covers the territory of 'Nature', the rest of the text being basically a WP:CFORK of Universe or just rambling any which way, so a merge and redirect should follow this GAR. Chiswick Chap (talk) 06:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aang

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Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch article reassessment page • Most recent review

Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is in bad shape. It is not updated yet; there are a lot of unsourced statements, the "bending the elements" section is written like lists instead of prose and the reception section is too flimsy. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 11:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Póvoa de Varzim

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Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch article reassessment page • GAN review not found

Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article has numerous uncited paragraphs and sections. It is also over 11,000 words, so it is recommended that someone with knowledge on the subject evaluate if anything can be removed or spun out. Z1720 (talk) 13:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dartmouth College fraternities and sororities

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article, promoted to GA in 2007, seems to be a list. I think this should be delisted so that it can be reclassified as a list instead. The article also has a "updates needed" orange banner from December 2023. Z1720 (talk) 22:59, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Galatian War

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Result: Kept. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An older GA from 2007, with a bevy of primary and old sources (the most recent author died in 1905). Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Iazyges, I am willing to work on this. What is your expected timeline for resolving the major issues before we can take on the specifics? I believe I can get done with the former in 5-10 days. Matarisvan (talk) 11:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Matarisvan: Thanks! I don't have a specific timeline as long as progress is being made; the 7-day close is meant to be an accelerant for articles that attract no interest, not a hard deadline. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 23:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I have started working on the article and expect it to get to GA level within 10 days. I will ping you once I'm done upgrading this one. Matarisvan (talk) 13:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Iazyges, I have reworked the article quite a bit. Do you think this is now back at GA level? Any comments you would like to add? Matarisvan (talk) 07:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Polish minority in the Czech Republic

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of uncited sections, including entire paragraphs. "Present day" section has no post-1991 information. Sources listed in the "Further reading" section should be explored for their inclusion as inline citations or removed. Z1720 (talk) 20:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mexico City Metropolitan Cathedral

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article has numerous uncited sections, a bloated lede, and the information is generally disorganised. Z1720 (talk) 20:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Portland Trail Blazers

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Numerous uncited paragraphs, bloated sections and a bias towards recent events. Z1720 (talk) 20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Davenport, Iowa

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Numerous uncited paragraphs, information out of date in government section. Z1720 (talk) 20:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pokémon Diamond and Pearl

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Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch article reassessment page • Most recent review

Result: No consensus to delist ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citation needed tags and after a quick skim you will see other places that aren’t tagged but deserve cn tags. Also there are 2 maintenance tags but both are about expansions. 48JCLTALK 01:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be willing to work on improvements to the article in order for it to comply with Good Article standards. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@48JCL I've fixed up the spots needing expansion and additionally cited several sections with citation needed tags (As well as Pokémon Platinum's section). Could you clarify what other spots need improvement? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Could [1] be moved to the body, making the lead more summary style? I’ll come back with more. 48JCL TALK 21:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@48JCL what else needs to be done? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fallout 3

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Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch article reassessment page • Most recent review

Result: Kept. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's like a lot of issues in the gameplay section. It was written a little bit awfully (for now) and has sourcing issues, and some of it is possibly unsourced. It also needs to be trimmed down. Meanwhile, there are also citation errors, no authors at the citation, and unreliable sources like ref 22. The retail version sub-section is written like a list instead of prose. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 12:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on the good article reassessment for Fallout: New Vegas right now, and after that's done I intend on getting to this article. Outside of the gameplay section, it seems to be in much better shape than the Fallout: New Vegas was, so it shouldn't be too bad. But in case I don't get to this article in time, I agree with Greenish Pickle!, this article does not meet the GA requirements as is. Famous Hobo (talk) 06:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Famous Hobo do you still intend to work on the article? No worries if not. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just stumbled upon this and began a copyedit pass. It'll be next week before I can really sink my teeth into it, but I'm happy to do some work on it. This should be a salvageable article. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 20:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: @DrOrinScrivello: Sorry for the delay, but yes I do plan on fixing up this article, been working on other stuff. Ironically this is my favorite Fallout game, but it's been a bit of a struggle to work on this article. I did start working on it on my sandbox page. I've shortened the plot section and began work on the development section. Due to the extreme gameplay similarities between Fallout 3 and New Vegas, I asked the Video Games Project if it would be okay copying nearly entire paragraphs over from one article to another. The general consensus was yes, so long as the paragraphs that were copied are properly attributed in the original article they came from in the edit description. Famous Hobo (talk) 23:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Famous Hobo: your working version looks like you're doing the same sort of paring down that I started and you're much further along, so I'll pause my efforts for now. Feel free to ping me if you'd like a second set of eyes on anything. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 23:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Famous Hobo and DrOrinScrivello: I see the editing has slowed down now after some big chops. How are we feeling about the article now? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Famous Hobo did some fine work on the article, and it seems to me as if the original issues have been addressed, so my opinion is Keep. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 18:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So there's still some stuff that needs to be worked on. The reception section needs to be beefed up to meet modern standards, and the lede needs to be rewritten to reflect the content of the article. The reason I haven't edited this article in a while is because I hate writing reception sections for larger games, but I'll get around to it shortly. Famous Hobo (talk) 20:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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