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I tend to archive conversations that seem to have concluded, hope you don't mind.

I think you made a mistake

If you read up on the haunted house website and duel videos you will find the info on curse of alton manor is completely accurate ImTheUnsub77 (talk) 06:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC) Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@ImTheUnsub77 - Please see the messages on your talk page about adding reliable sources. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

2024 Meizhou expressway collapse moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to 2024 Meizhou expressway collapse. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheTechie, I did not create the article/have no investment. I just added some categories and an infobox. I suggest reaching out to ElijahPepe if you have not done so already. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Classicwiki Sorry, misclick. Was using moveToDraft. I will note that I need to notify only the creator in the future. I have reached out to elijahpepe. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Complement for being a good egg

I noticed you and DMacks checking the boxes and following up after a minor vandalism and it made me step back to be impressed by the workings of Wikipedia. About the thinking, weird, wonderful people that are behind stuff getting done here. People come in knocking stuff off the shelves, but just as quickly other people are putting it all back and measuring the trajectory of where rocks were being lobbed from. You're part of what makes Wikipedia work, Thanks. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 05:35, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@MtBotany, far too kind. Thank you for the message. It takes a village! Love that you speak Botanese :) Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Add previous image.

I already discuss in talk page, plz add previous delete image, i add image under license and no copyrights.

@Classicwiki Vinay viniyl (talk) 06:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Vinay viniyl, please allow an actual discussion at the talk page to happen before making changes. I would highly recommend you review the messages left on your talk page. You may be heading towards a block if you continue editing in this manner.

Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations verified in reliable, reputable print or online sources or in other reliable media. Always provide a reliable source for names, quotations, and for any material that is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. Wikipedia also has a related policy against including original research in articles. Edit summaries do not qualify as a reliable source. Your edits have been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so.

If you are stuck and looking for help, please see the guide for citing sources or come to The Teahouse, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have and help you with your edits. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I already left message in talk page and permission granted for upload images. Vinay viniyl (talk) 06:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Vinay viniyl, you need to allow for a discussion to occur on the talk page. There has not been one yet. Additionally, I do not know what you mean by "permission granted for upload images." I highly recommend you stop your disruptive editing. Please go to The Teahouse or Help Desk to get assistance with your edits. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:May 2024 events in China

A tag has been placed on Category:May 2024 events in China indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@Liz, please note this category was created when 2024 Meizhou expressway collapse was still an article. It is now a draft, Draft:2024 Meizhou expressway collapse. Given there has been an active category tag for events in China for the past several months, I do no think it is too wp:crystalball to say that the category should be left active, but given that its empty at this moment I understand it will likely be deleted. No response necessary. Best, -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 08:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Note to self: Category was repopulated. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Walter Terence Stace

Hi. I am a family member. Walter Terence stace is my great uncle and Jennifer is my great aunt (my father's first cousin). Jennifer Stace wrote an autobiography 'a philosopher's daughter' which describes the family dynamic in much detail. Hoping this is enough to have my few sentences reinstated. 2001:8003:4B0A:1A00:791D:C13A:35D2:C74B (talk) 12:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Any people related to the subject aren't reliable sources, so you shouldn't reinstate your edit. You have been given a COI notice at your talk page. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

@2001:8003:4B0A:1A00:791D:C13A:35D2:C74B, would you have a reliable source or an obituary you can link to? Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:52, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jeremiah Manele

On 2 May 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jeremiah Manele, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. – robertsky (talk) 19:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

BLP violations on Martin Nowak's page

Hi,

I saw you undid my edit on Martin Nowak’s page.

My edit was to delete factually inaccurate and biased sentences about Nowak’s association with Jeffrey Epstein from the lead.

Factually inaccurate: "...as a punishment for having provided an office, keycard, and passcode, and for allowing Epstein free and unlimited access to the university's campus ten years after his conviction for sex crimes". The Harvard report only mentions a keycard. Nowak was not blamed for "providing an office" as this was known and approved by the university. No passcode is ever discussed. PED was not on university campus. Thus Epstein never had "free and unlimited access to the university campus". There are other inaccuracies, but this is the main one.

Biased: The sentences do not address any source that is favorable to Nowak, presenting a biased POV. In particular, https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021/4/14/lessig-epstein-at-harvard/ , this source and information contained therein is completely ignored.

In the lead: The association between Nowak and Epstein should be discussed in the body of the article under “controversies”. Not sure why it should be notable enough to be included in the very first sentences of the article, since Nowak is famous for his contributions to science, as evidenced by the fact that he had a Wiki page long long before the Epstein scandal.

I find it troubling that the page is now locked in a state containing inaccurate information and displaying a heavily biased point of view, which clearly violates Wikipedia's Biographies of Living Persons (BLP) policies. I am deeply puzzled by the decision to revert the edit aimed at rectifying significant policy violations, and wish to believe this was an error…. 2A01:E0A:808:6FB0:9050:6959:CFE3:2C60 (talk) 06:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, there seems to be a discussion ongoing at BLP noticeboard about this topic where you have already contributed. I recommend keeping the issue there and the talk page of the article in question.

I encourage you to create an account, if you have not done so already. Best regards, Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 17:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

On "Garden of Delete"

I saw that you have reverted my decision to remove the 'nu metal' genre from the page. This is understandable, but for someone without knowledge of the genre of nu-metal, or the style of music Oneohtrix Point Never makes, having this genre present in the page is highly misleading. Both sources show the genre being named to be a subtle influence to the record, rather than a dominant sound, which even then, showing a lack of non-MIDI electronic guitar sounds, or metal drumming styles, or any metal style vocals, is highly contestable.

rateyourmusic.com is often reliable for genre descriptions, as they are voted on by the music community, and any 'metal' descriptors remain to be seen. 'Industrial' would be a more suitable descriptor for this album. 82.14.105.143 (talk) 21:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I will overlook the assumptions you are making about me. Removing legitimately sourced content is generally grounds for a reversion; both sources mention nu-metal. Unfortunately Wikipedia generally categorizes rateyourmusic.com as unreliable. I would recommend looking over Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Content removal should you have any questions. I understand you might feel strongly about this issue, I would recommend recommend you seek consensus for certain edits by discussing the matter on the article's talk page (Talk:Garden of Delete). Notifying associated WikiProjects to get is a good way to get a discussion going.

If you are stuck and looking for help, please see the guide for citing sources or come to The Teahouse, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have and help you with your edits. Best regards, -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 17:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Mahamat Déby

On 11 May 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Mahamat Déby, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede66 21:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

2024 Kashmir demonstrations

Hey could you add a picture for the wiki page there?

also check the talk page there for the info GamerHashaam (talk) 07:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @GamerHashaam, I believe other users in the article's talk page have responded to your request. Best, -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Categories

Hi Classicwiki. You left a note to improve categories on a page I created, but I really don't understand categories. Why would we manually add a category "Erodium" to a page with Erodium in the title? Surely it's better to allow the computer to sort things like this, rather than relying on faulty human categorising. Can you point me in the direction of some rationale/policy, pls? Or is it just up to us to add whatever we feel might be useful? E Wusk (talk) 17:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @E Wusk, great job on creating Erodium lebelii.

You are right that humans (and computers) can be faulty at catagorising things -- sometimes we apply the wrong category, too many, too few. Some elements on a page trigger automatic categorisation. Wikipedia relies on editors, bots, templates, and scripts (which I used in this case) to help improve categorisation on articles.

WikiProject Plants has its own guidelines on catagories, which is introduced here. (I recommend joining the WikiProject if you have not already!) More general details about catagories can be found on the editing guidelines, Wikipedia:Categorization.

Just because the article title has Erodium in the title, it does not mean that the information is automatically categorised. My edit allows this article to be categorised with other Erodium species. You can look at the category here and you will find other species in the genus.

Hope that helps and answers your question. Best, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 21:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for A. J. Smith

On 15 May 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article A. J. Smith, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 09:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jasper White (chef)

On 15 May 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jasper White (chef), which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. – robertsky (talk) 16:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Lawrence Wong

On 15 May 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Lawrence Wong, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede66 19:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MintyFresh201 and Yoyocarsonyo

Hello Classicwiki, I see in my alerts that there is a Sockpuppet investigation, against me and Yoyocarsonyo. I just wanted to clarify that the only interaction I have ever had was for creating the article FV Dudenhofen and using some aspects of the draft that he had used. I would be happy to provide any other necessary information for this investigation.

Kind Regards,

MintyFresh201 (talk) 22:57, 16 May 2024 (UTC) REVELATIONS 21:4

@MintyFresh201, thank you for providing that information. I would advise you to comment on the investigation page under the appropriate section. For guidance, Please see: defending yourself against claims.

As it notes there, If you are accused of puppetry, stay calm and don't take the accusations too personally. If you have not abused multiple accounts or IPs and have not breached the policy on meat-puppetry, then that will almost always be the finding.

Finally, I would kindly ask for you to please start seriously addressing the issues that other editors are raising about the articles that you are creating. Please stop removing maintenance templates and move warring. There is a need for reliable, independent sources in your articles or they might be subject to deletion. Please see the guide for citing sources. You are also welcome to the articles for creation help desk and The Teahouse, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have and help you with your edits. Sincerely, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 00:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello Classicwiki,

I just wanted to claify something I saw on the investigation page. I created @Loganmascarenhas and @Loganmascarenhas20, the latter being by accident. However, the reason I created my current account was because I forgot the password for my @Loganmascarenhas account and also this username discloses personal information. I hope this helps with the investigation.

God bless you, MintyFresh201 (talk) 00:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, in addition, I will take your advice and seriously consider the feedback and issues that others are having with my articles including maintenance tempaltes.

I appretiate your help. MintyFresh201 (talk) 00:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@MintyFresh201, again you are advised to make these comments and responses on the SPI page.

I also suggest you review WP:MULTIACCOUNT and disclose your other accounts on your User page.

Are there any other accounts you wish to disclose? If so, please do on the SPI page. Thanks, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 01:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Mew reversion

Your edit summary on the reversion of my edit just says "Last good". What are you trying to say here? TheWikiToby (talk) 04:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheWikiToby, I was just about to post to your talk page. Could you explain who the subject of that photo was? Where it was sourced? I see "own work" on Commons. I am concerned about the consent issues surrounding a child's image appearing on Wikipedia. The accompanying EXIF data makes me concerned for privacy rights as well. I am looking at wp:IUCwp:IUP>>Privacy Rights>>Normally do require consent. Considering its a popular trend, I also worry about someone uploading their own photo just for the meme-factor.

"Last good" is a shorthand many use in anti-vandalism to try to return a page to its previous stable version. Just a two days before your addition, another user (now blocked) uploaded a child's image to that page as well (diff). The article has been frequently vandalised.

If I can get some clarity on the image usage, I am not opposed to restoring. If you have any policies you can point me toward that clear the usage of the image that would be much appreciated. Thanks, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah okay. The child is someone I know IRL. They know of my endeavors on Wikipedia and they thought it'd be fun if they contributed somehow, so I thought of an image about mewing portraying how kids mew these days. Thinking about it now, adding the images were probably a little reckless as there was a little bit of some numerous intent there. TheWikiToby (talk) 04:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheWikiToby, did the child's legal guardian give you permission to upload their image to Commons or English Wiki? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Classicwiki I did not get the legal guardian's permission. I'll try to contact them, but I'll get the images deleted if I must. TheWikiToby (talk) 04:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheWikiToby, I would suggest deleting such images until legal permission is acquired through a model release. Again if there is an image use policy that allows for such images to be used, please do point me in that direction. I think I might seek a bit of clarity about this issue over a WP:VP or some other related outlet soon. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:02, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Plant distribution categories

The guys at WP:WikiProject Plants have achieved consensus for using the distribution categories shown at WP:PLANTS/WGSRPD. Others, such as Category:Flora of the Mediterranean Basin, should only be used if the plant is found only in the majority of the Mediterranean basin countries, and not elsewhere. Abductive (reasoning) 16:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Abductive, thanks for the note and edit. Somehow I missed the "eastern" part in front of Mediterranean. Should we also add Australia, considering its found in NSW according to this source? Cheers, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

We don't put the introduced locales into the flora of categories. Abductive (reasoning) 18:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Abductive, understood! Thanks, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for May 19

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ITN recognition for Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk

On 19 May 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 22:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Recent mpox outbreak protection requests

Hey there, I noticed you listed a bunch of protection requests on WP:RFPP for mpox outbreak articles when the vandalism was pretty much perpetrated by just one single IP vandal. In the future, if it's just one person vandalizing, you should list them at WP:AIV to get them blocked instead. Semi-protection is for when a bunch of different users are vandalizing/disrupting the same article. Some of your other requests also didn't have really any recent activity according to their histories; remember that protection is not preemptive. It would be helpful to check the page history for articles before you list them for protection. bibliomaniac15 03:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bibliomaniac15, this user has done this several times in the past. Just as recently as yesterday with a different IP address. If these articles are not protected the vandal will return. If you check the protection logs and the diffs on these Mpox pages you will see the revdels in the past. There is a consistent pattern. If you want to reject all the RFPPs that is your prerogative. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

If they come back again switching IPs, feel free to let me know or resubmit the request (might even be better to list all the pages under a single section header too). But seeing that the last time this happened was a month ago, I don't think it's frequent enough to warrant protection at the moment. Generally with these kinds of administrative actions we usually use the method that will impact others users as little as possible. bibliomaniac15 03:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bibliomaniac15, the last time this happened was yesterday, 20 May (see: 76.98.200.125). Personally, I think not exposing users to consistent vandalising/racism on Mpox articles is the minimal impact option, but let us leave it to the fates and your administrative discretion. Thanks for blocking the vandal. Hope for the best. Cheers, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:01, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bibliomaniac15, this is to inform you the vandal came back again (see: 76.98.202.103's edits). --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 22:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Morgan Spurlock

On 26 May 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Morgan Spurlock, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 16:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Chet Walker

On 10 June 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Chet Walker, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Lord of Glencoe

Hi there - I hope this message finds you well. You left a templated message on my page for Lord of Glencoe. The page currently redirects to the village of Glencoe in Scotland... it needs to be a page for the title Lord of Glencoe in the Baronage of Scotland.... can you please help creating the page and adding to it? Thank you so much Kellycrak88 (talk) 08:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2024 floods in the United States

A tag has been placed on Category:2024 floods in the United States indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Note to self: Category was repopulated. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		I really appretiate how you provided me with resources to improve my articles on my talk page, helped answer my questions, and assumed good faith throughout the confusion. Keep up the amazing work.

MintyFresh201 (talk) 01:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

CS1 error on Arpi, Armenia

Hello, I'm Qwerfjkl (bot). I have automatically detected that this edit performed by you, on the page Arpi, Armenia, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows:

• A bare URL error. References show this error when one of the URL-containing parameters cannot be paired with an associated title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference. (Fix | Ask for help)

Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can report it to my operator. Thanks, Qwerfjkl (bot) (talk) 21:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Personal note: fixed. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 22:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for 2024 NBA Finals

On 19 June 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article 2024 NBA Finals, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Hoax request

Hello. Can you please create the template for political parties of Bouvet Island in Wikipedia infobox Travelhijabi (talk) 17:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

No, I do not plan on helping you propagate your hoax. Please stop. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 17:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

No it is true that my friend created this Travelhijabi (talk) 18:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

and there is even source there Travelhijabi (talk) 18:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Which friend, which source? Bouvet Island has no permanent population. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

It is government in exile, and you will search in YouTube Bouvet island Revolutionary Government and you will find there source, and my Bangladeshi friend founded this government in exile in 28 December 2023. Travelhijabi (talk) 12:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this version of Wikipedia is not the place for non-notable fictional countries/governments/political parties. However, there are other websites like Fandom that are open to such topics. I would suggest moving your content there.

I really recommend you familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines if you wish to continue editing here. On that topic, I recommend responding to the sock puppet investigation on your account.

Again, I would kindly ask that you re-evaluate and improve your editing. Wishing the best for you/your friend. Sincerely, --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 14:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Sara Facio

On 19 June 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Sara Facio, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 22:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Joshua Wade

On 27 June 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Joshua Wade, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede66 07:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Howard Bernstein

On 27 June 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Howard Bernstein, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede66 07:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)