Talk:WMTV (College of William & Mary)

Requested move 15 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 19:51, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

---

• WMTV (College of William & Mary) → William & Mary Television
• MUTV (Manchester United F.C.) → Manchester United Television

– Natural disambiguation, WP:Article titles#Avoid ambiguous abbreviations * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:56, 15 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 05:40, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 18:16, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose MUTV - literally nobody calls it anything other than MUTV. GiantSnowman 18:22, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: requesting more comments based on policy. Note: WikiProject Television, WikiProject Virginia, WikiProject Higher education have been notified of this discussion. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 05:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose both We can't go around using abbreviations that aren't actually used in reliable sources. However, do not use obscure or made-up names, WP:NATDAB states. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:58, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Both suggested names are already given as alternative names in the first sentence of each article, so these are not made-up names. WMTV's 'about' page on their website says "William & Mary Television (WMTV) is the only student-run television station at The College of William & Mary" – directly using the expanded form suggested here. I might suggest that "Manchester United TV" is the more normal expansion for MUTV: this is what it is called on the Google Play store, YouTube, the Apple App store and Amazon (I stopped looking at this point). Nobody typing in MUTV or WMTV goes directly to these pages as it is, so there is no loss of user access involved (MUTV is a disambiguation page, WMTV is a broadcast TV station with that code, with a hat note to the student TV station). These names provide natural disambiguation by expanding the abbreviations, getting rid of the awkward disambiguation currently used, so a definite improvement. Robminchin (talk) 16:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

  "Both suggested names are already given as alternative names in the first sentence of each article". Not any more, since "Manchester United Television" has never been the name of the channel since it was launched in 1998. It's just been assumed that MUTV stands for Manchester United Television, never properly established. – PeeJay 14:52, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Neutral 1, support 2, per WP:ONEOTHER.162 etc. (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose MUTV as MUTV is the WP:COMMONNAME. Given that the only other article on the dab page MUTV is a redirect, I would suggest that the Man Utd TV channel is the primary topic (rather than the local student TV station), and so moving it to MUTV would be sensible. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
• Support per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION and WP:RECOGNIZABILITY. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:45, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose MUTV - I have no idea about the college TV station, but the Manchester United channel is never called anything other than MUTV. Even in the terms and conditions document on the club website (see here), it's exclusively referred to as MUTV or MUTV Digital depending on the platform. – PeeJay 14:52, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.