Talk:Mirror Go

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10-10 point clarification

The use of "10-10" point in the article assumes a standard 19x19 board, but that isn't explicit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SlowJog (talk • contribs) 22:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I think this page is overly npov regarding manego, while certainly not a sure win strategy, I think the article overly simplifies just how complex the game can become. It is not "Deeply Flawed" it's just a very difficult game for both sides. The idea that white can create ladders or shortages of liberties easily, is only true if the opponent apes every move. However, an intelligent manego player will watch you like a hawk, the second you make a slow move, they'll break symmetry and play a better one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.136.240 (talk) 16:06, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 11 October 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Different style rules propose a different capitalization for this article title and the majority of participants in this discussion favor the current title. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 09:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

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Mirror Go → Mirror go – As this does not appear to be in line with the relevant guideline (MOS:GAMECAPS), this should probably be subject to a full discussion. 207.161.86.162 (talk) 08:02, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

By convention the game "Go" is capitalized. This is to be consistent with the treatment of the word in reliable sources. I believe Go publications use this convention to avoid readability issues given the English verb "go", as suggested in this discussion on the topic. In any case, sources on Go almost universally capitalize the word. This issue has been discussed before, the most recent discussion I found here on the Wikiproject talk page. Articles on Go in Wikipedia generally follow this convention. The title of articles about Go should use the capitalized form as well, for consistency.Coastside (talk) 16:30, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

FYI I started a discussion at the WikiProject Go to add this to the Guidelines and to amend MOS:GAMECAPS with this exception. It would be helpful to formalize this to avoid continued confusion.Coastside (talk) 16:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• @Anthony Appleyard: I didn't start an RM discussion; I requested that an undiscussed move be reverted. WP:RM says that "If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted." Surely this new name isn't deemed stable, is it? 207.161.86.162 (talk) 00:54, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  It was moved yesterday so could just have been reverted as an undiscussed move. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

  Yeah, can this be addressed, Anthony Appleyard? I'm not sure why this RM discussion is ongoing. 207.161.86.162 (talk) 01:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support not a proper noun. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - "Go", like Monopoly and unlike chess, is always capitalized in English. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 19:43, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Coastside and 力. Capitalising 'Go' is natural, recognisable and consistent with existing usage. Support amending MOS:GAMECAPS to make the convention explicit. Havelock Jones (talk) 23:29, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support. Not a proper name. Monopoly is capitalised because it's trademarked. Go and chess are traditional games and are not. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:03, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. In Go literature, Go is almost always capitalized, so it should be added to the exceptions list. It's a bit tricky to Google up usage, but see Google scholar for "Computer Go" or GScholar for komi go and you'll see Go capitalized 100% of the time in the first 10 (barring when it's used as a verb, which is irrelevant to the game of course). SnowFire (talk) 19:16, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose In almost all sources I found, the word for the game is capitalized. This is a reader-friendly exception to normal capitalization rules, by clearly indicating a difference between the name of the game and the common English verb. Schazjmd (talk) 19:07, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment FYI there is a discussion at WikiProject Go. I've generalized the discussion beyond this one article. Please feel free to join. Coastside (talk) 19:15, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
• Support. MOS:GAMECAPS exists for a reason. The fact that players of go like to over-capitalize it, just as players of chess over-capitalize "Chess", etc., is a typical WP:Specialized-style fallacy.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:51, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose; MOS:GAMECAPS allows for conventionalized variants, and this is one of those examples - by convention, "Go" is capitalized where alternatives such as "Chess" are not. See this BBC article where the former is capitalized inside sentences, while the later is not. BilledMammal (talk) 04:04, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.