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Woman of the day: a new one each day from our women's biographies

Anne Finucane's biography

Hello! I have submitted a request to update the article about American banker Anne Finucane, who has retired from the vice chair role at Bank of America and taken on other responsibilities. Here is a link to my first request. Are any WikiProject Women in Red editors able to take a look and update her page for me? I am also notifying User:Victuallers, who has reviewed the article previously. Thank you! KMBrightSide (talk) 20:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi KMBrightSide, when making requests like this could you please indicate at the top that you are a paid editor? Thank you. Innisfree987 (talk) 23:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you and a good point. I think all biogs that are updated by paid editors should record that imput. I have exchanged emails with one of the people who paid KMBrightSide and I don't think they realised what mesaage you send when you pay an editor to write about you. The article I saw by KMBrightSide was (IMO) sycophantic. None of it was actually 100% wrong but on the spectrum between marketing and biography it was not as close to biography as I would expect from an uninvolved editor. The article has since been substantially improved by having sections deleted. Victuallers (talk) 07:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It would be useful if KMBS added a clear COI icon to their talk page. It's some consolation to hear that I am not the only member of Women in Red to be repeatedly invited by COI editors to incorporate suggestions for "improvement". While some of the requests I receive seem reasonable, most require extensive examination and seldom meet immediate approval. I must say I am not at all happy about spending so much valuable time reviewing requests from paid editors who are obviously primarily interested in supporting those who pay for their services. Perhaps we can take a more coordinated approach. Any suggestions?--Ipigott (talk) 18:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Innisfree987, Victuallers, and Ipigott: Thank you all for your responses here. I appreciate the time you've taken to engage with my request and for your guidance. I thought I had properly disclosed my COI when I listed it on my account page and the Talk page where I initially posted my request for an edit review, but I can see now that I should have called it out here too. I will make sure to note it at the top in any future edit review requests and I have added that COI icon to my talk page, as suggested. On Victuallers' reference to "the article I saw by KMBrightSide," I just wanted to clarify that I've never authored an article on Wikipedia, and this recent request we are discussing is the only intervention I have ever made on the platform. I respect and am fully committed to working within Wikipedia's rules. KMBrightSide (talk) 21:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Innisfree987, KMBrightSide, and Ipigott: I do apologise unreservedly KMBrightSide. I had been mistaken by edits I had recently seen by another paid author and I had negligently failed to check in enough detail. That was completely my fault. Thank you for your gentle reposte. Victuallers (talk) 08:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@Victuallers: Please accept my belated thanks for your very kind reply! I hope you’re having a lovely week. KMBrightSide (talk) 00:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

help - Good articles project?

Hi! I thought I signed up for something happening in June trying to increase the number of Good-rated articles about women; where I could ask for an article to be read through quickly by experienced reviewers to tell me if/how it might be quick-failed within the Good review process. But now I can't find that page. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and/or have a link? jengod (talk) 14:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Was it Women in Green’s editathon? ForsythiaJo (talk) 14:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Yesssss! Thank you @ForsythiaJo!! jengod (talk) 15:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by birth month/Women born in February

There is a person named Silvia Reyes in this list, but I am afraid that your bot will remove this entry from the list, thinking that there is now an article about the Peruvian referee. There isn't!!! That new article is about the Spanish transgender activist of the same name. I am currently going through articles linking the referee and amending the text [[Silvia Reyes]] to read [[Silvia Reyes (referee)|Silvia Reyes]], tedious though this is. I know, though, that I cannot edit the page named in my heading. Could somebody please arrange to keep the referee Reyes's name on the list? There is still no article about her, after all, and the transgender activist is far from being one and the same. Thanks.Kelisi (talk) 19:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

This problen occurs not only on the page Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by birth month/Women born in February but also on the pages Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by time period/1980-1989 and Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Redlinks/S1. Kelisi (talk) 20:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata has two separate entries, and the referee has articles in German, French, and hu.wiki (Hungarian?). The Spanish activist has 4 articles in other wikis. PamD 20:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Category:Women's firsts

Category:Women's firsts (and its various sub-categories, associated lists, etc.) may be of interest to participants of this wikiproject. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 06:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikiesfera and other Wikimedia gender gap projects on Guardian

Hi and sorry if I put this in the wrong place, the projects changed the structure and is hard for me to understand where to highlight this. Recently The Guardian and EuroWeekly News dedicated two articles (1 & 2) to Wikiesfera (a Spanish gender gap project and affiliate). There also nominated Whose Knowledge?, WikiDonne and Les sans pagEs for enwiki, itwiki and frwiki. Kudos to all. Camelia (talk) 09:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the infos! Mujinga (talk) 11:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't know anything much about Spanish WP, but "Just under a fifth of Wikipedia’s content, including biographies, is focused on women,..." (Guardian article) sounds suspiciously like a typically mangled Guardian distortion of the en:wp stats, where - crudely - 25% of articles are biographies, of which 20% are of women, so only 5% of all articles are biographies of women. In the unlikely event that the Guardian's numbers relate to any reality, then the Spanish Wikipedia has done a fantastically good job! Or they don't have many articles on places, species and the other non-gendered subjects that make up the majority of en:wp articles. Johnbod (talk) 16:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

The Guardian article links to this WMF page, so the confusion is at least partly due to the WMF. TSventon (talk) 17:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Or totally. That page says "As of March 2023, only 18.5% of the content in all Wikimedia projects, including biographies on Wikipedia ..", which seems oddly high to me. What's the male figure? Johnbod (talk) 18:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Ok, from the Humanwiki page they link to that is "All Humans with at least one Wikipedia article", so very far from all "the content in all Wikimedia projects"! Pah. Johnbod (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Redlists

Hi! Sorry if it has been asked before, but could I add articles to the redlist at the LGBTQ+ women meetup? Many thanks! NoonIcarus (talk) 23:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

NoonIcarus The redlist section says "Add other red links here, if possible with a source", so you could add more. TSventon (talk) 11:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon: Ah, silly me, roger. Thanks! --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Public domain photo for Janice Underwood?

I just started Janice Underwood as part of the education and LGBTQ+ editathons. I thought for sure there would be a PD photo of Underwood because she was the first chief diversity officer of the U.S. Fed Government. I can't seem to find any. Maybe someone else may have better luck. TJMSmith (talk) 21:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Janice Underwood, United States governmentwide chief diversity officer, in 2023

Hello! --GRuban (talk) 22:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!!! TJMSmith (talk) 21:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Sandra Hemme, longest serving wrongfully convicted woman in US history

I just created a draft for Draft:Sandra Hemme. Her conviction for a murder over 40 years ago has recently been overturned. It is believed the murder actually was committed by a police officer. Thriley (talk) 16:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I just realized there is already an article about the case: Murder of Patricia Jeschke. Not sure if Hemme warrants a separate article. Thriley (talk) 16:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Keily Blair draft

Hi editors, I wrote a draft for OnlyFans CEO Keily Blair that may be of interest to the folks here. I have a COI so I cannot create the article directly, but would love it if someone here could take a look and offer their feedback, even move it to being a full article if you think it merits that. I appreciate any insight you have. You can find the draft here. Cheers AG at OnlyFans (talk) 00:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

It looks pretty balanced to me, and I made a few edits. It might be good to get one more editor's opinion on moving it to mainspace. Nick Number (talk) 22:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Number: Thanks for taking a look and making those changes. I'll let this sit here for a few more days. If no one else responds, mind if I ping you to see if there is anywhere else we might attract another reviewer? AG at OnlyFans (talk) 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@AG at OnlyFans Ok. Also, if you want to upload a better photo than the one I found on Flickr, there are some guidelines here. The Wikimedia Commons method is easiest if you have an image you can license appropriately. Nick Number (talk) 18:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Number: Good tip, thanks. I will take a look at what photos we may be able to donate. Did you have any thoughts on where we might find another reviewer? AG at OnlyFans (talk) 01:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@AG at OnlyFans: In the absence of other input, I went ahead and moved it to mainspace. Nick Number (talk) 03:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hurdlers in red

I am planning to soon start a good article nomination for the article 2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles. At the moment, it still contains ten women in red who may of interest to this project (i.e. the ten red links in the table in the Round 1 subsection). – Editør (talk) 17:04, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Unable to verify knighthood

I am working on an article about Sister Anita Smisek in my sandbox. I am trying to verify "In 1995, the Czech community honored Anita with that nation's highest award. The Order of Knights of Comenius" from this source. I have been unable to find proof that the Order of Knights of Comenius is an actual thing. SL93 (talk) 23:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

According to page 4 of this Smisek received The Order of Knights of Comenius from the Czech Cultural Center Houston in 2004. According to page 2, 1995 was the year the Czech Cultural Center started. TSventon (talk) 00:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. That page also includes information that I previously couldn't find. SL93 (talk) 00:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Multiple sources contradict each other on things so I scrapped the article. SL93 (talk) 01:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Transgender pioneers in Spain

Given that LGBT Pride month is coming to an end, and therefore also the activity of the Women in Red Wikiproject related to it, I have thought of highlighting 4 Spanish trans women whose translation could be of special interest to the members of the wikiproject.

• Juani Bermejo Vega Quantum computing researcher
• Yani Forner First trans woman to star in a Spanish film
• Judith Juanhuix Researcher and doctor in physics
• María Pachón Monge First trans woman in the Spanish armed forces

--Peridotito (talk) 12:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Corinne Peek-Asa draft at Articles for Creation

On behalf of the University of California, San Diego, I have submitted a draft article about American epidemiologist Corinne Peek-Asa (red-linked in this list and at WikiProject Women in Red/Fellowships) as part of my work at Beutler Ink. Sharing a notice here in case any WikiProject Women in Red participants are interested in taking a look. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Patricia R. Zimmermann

Zimmerman, a film scholar, is notable but the draft needs some work if anyone is inclined. Digging around she is mentioned at Orphan film, Asian Film Archive. Robin Curtis (scholar), Finger Lakes Environmental Film Festival, Karen L. Ishizuka, EBS International Documentary Festival and Transnational cinema along with being cited in a few. S0091 (talk) 15:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Humaniki to be restored early August

I have just heard from Maximilianklein that he expects to be able to fix the problems with Humaniki around 7 August. It has not been updated since 24 June. In the meantime, the monthly stats on the Metrics page should provide an indication of progress. (cc Oronsay).--Ipigott (talk) 09:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Ipigott, apologies if this is a silly question, but what is the current problem with Humaniki? Isn't it normally updated weekly? TSventon (talk) 10:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

TSventon: I am not sure what the current problem is but in the past there have been problems with server space and server accessibility. Fortunately Max Klein who developed the feature (as well as earlier versions reflecting our statistics) has always been in a position to deal with problems within a reasonable time despite heavy commitments to other research projects. I believe updates are based on wikidumps which occur every two weeks. If you are not satisfied with this arrangement, it might be possible to provide a backup based on a statistical analysis of the number of women's biographies compared to the total number of biographies on the English Wikipedia but Humaniki is regularly used for many other language versions and also covers Commons and other wiki projects. It therefore seems to me preferable to stick with Humaniki unless more lengthy delays occur.--Ipigott (talk) 13:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I just wanted to understand what problems Women in Red has been having or is expecting to have with Humaniki, so I gather that there may be a six week gap until around 7 August. I agree that shouldn't be a major problem, particularly as we have been warned in advance. TSventon (talk) 13:34, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

• My apologies for this post which was based on an email from Max Klein. It seems however to be a false alarm as I now see that Humaniki has been updating regularly (oce every two weeks) and that our main Women in Red page has been adjusted accordingly.--Ipigott (talk)

That is good as there are almost 399,000 bios on women, so we might see 400,000 in the next month or so. TSventon (talk) 13:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ipigott, Normally the update is available on every Friday morning (Sydney, AUS time). If not, I try to check back once or twice a day and change the figures on WIR's homepage when Humaniki has done its work. 400,000 will be another nice milestone on the way to 20% and beyond. Oronsay (talk) 20:33, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

No talk page announcement yet for July?

I don't seem to have had the usual monthly announcement (but I've already got a woman sci-fi writer lined up to translate...). PamD 09:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

It seems to me that it may be because today's a Sunday. I have alerted Magalibrarygirl and Victuallers but there has been no response. Unfortunately, it's already 1 July in Australia. I believe Rosiestep is unable to handle this kind of thing herself but perhaps she could encourage others...--Ipigott (talk) 14:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I see that the July announcement got sent. Yay! A friendly FYI for another time: Gamaliel and Ser Amantio di Nicolao are also WiR members and admins (have MassMessage rights) so maybe they'd have time and inclination to assist with this task. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello! It was me - I didn't see the ping that the invite was ready, so logged on yesterday to check. It would be great to have more people MM - I'm happy to do it, but as I say, all it takes is one missed notification and things get out of step! Lajmmoore (talk) 17:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Women in Red July 2024

Women in Red | July 2024, Volume 10, Issue 7, Numbers 293, 294, 311, 312, 313 Online events: New: Translation contest 2024 | Science Fiction and Fantasy | Women in Sports Continuing: #1day1woman | Education (year-long initiative) Announcements from other communities Wiki Loves Sport 2024 22 July - 22 September Tip of the month: A foreign language biography does not guarantee notability for English Wikipedia. Check the guidelines before you start. Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events and add any general ideas on developing the project. Follow us on social media: Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter/X

--Lajmmoore (talk 14:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Fight Like a Girl and Boys Will Be Boys lack en.Wikipedia entries

For anyone interested, Clementine Ford (2016). Fight Like a Girl. Allen & Unwin. ISBN 978-1-76029-236-2. OL 19763225W. Wikidata Q126947622. and Clementine Ford (2019). Boys Will Be Boys. Oneworld Publications. ISBN 978-1-76087-862-7. OL 21337917W. Wikidata Q126947742. could potentially be split off as individual book articles here in en.Wikipedia if enough sources were found to establish notability. My impression is that both are individually notable independent of Clementine Ford (writer) herself, but that would have to be checked. They're both now on Wikidata. Boud (talk) 16:12, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

We'll need to do some clever titling for the latter, since we already have Boys Will Be Boys (book) by Myriam Miedzian. Silverseren^C 17:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Boys Will Be Boys (Ford book) according to WP:BOOKDAB. It would still need sources to establish notability. TSventon (talk) 17:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that will be a problem, TSventon.

• Boy Will Be Boys

• "Clementine Ford reveals the fragility behind ‘toxic masculinity’ in Boys Will Be Boys", The Conversation
• "Boys Will Be Boys", Foreword Magazine
• "‘Boys Will Be Boys’: Book review", BroadAgenda
• "Boys Will Be Boys: Power, Patriarchy, and Toxic Masculinity", Booklist
• "Boys Will Be Boys by Clementine Ford", Australian Book Review
• "Gender Warriors: Boys Will Be Boys", Virginia Quarterly Review
• "Boys Will Be Boys review: Clementine Ford on how boys should really behave", The Sydney Morning Herald
• "Boys Will Be Boys: Why Clementine Ford wants to talk about men", Australian Broadcasting Corporation
• "Boys Will Be Boys: Power, Patriarchy and Toxic Masculinity", Publishers Weekly
• "Boys Will Be Boys: Clementine Ford on toxic masculinity", Radio New Zealand
• "Misogyny, patriarchy and toxic masculinity: A review of Boys Will Be Boys", Right Now Magazine
• "Feminism for men and women: Alex Casey on the furious, phenomenal Clementine Ford", The Spinoff

• Fight Like a Girl

• "First Person Feminism: Fight Like A Girl by Clementine Ford", Sydney Review of Books
• "Fight like a girl: A conversation with Clementine Ford", The Spinoff
• "Fight Like a Girl review: Clementine Ford's snapshot of contemporary feminism", The Sydney Morning Herald
• "Clementine Ford’s ‘Fight Like a Girl’ Set as TV Series at Aquarius Films", Variety
• ""Fight Like A Girl" Author Clementine Ford", KATU
• "Clem Ford: Why you should fight like a girl", Australian Broadcasting Corporation
• "Fight Like A Girl By Clementine Ford", Sydney Mechanics' School of Arts
• "Book review: Fight Like a Girl", Fashion Journal
• "Clementine Ford Tells All About Her Upcoming Debut Book, ‘Fight Like A Girl’", Pedestrian
• "Feminism in the troll space: Clementine Ford’s Fight Like a Girl, social media, and the networked book", Feminist Media Studies

I unfortunately, Boud, do not have the time to work on articles for these due to my prior commitment. But I do hope that these references prove helpful for you or anyone else that wants to take a stab at making some book articles. Silverseren^C 23:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

V Pappas draft at Articles for Creation

Hello! On behalf of the subject, I have submitted a draft article about Australian-American businessperson V Pappas — also known as Vanessa Pappas; red-linked at 50 Most Influential (Bloomberg ranking) — as part of my work at Beutler Ink. Sharing a notice here in case any WikiProject Women in Red participants are interested in taking a look. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing this @Inkian Jason - I'd like to see a bit more included about the Senate hearing see & there's quite a few references coming up from google books see - also, it would be great to see some criticism from a reputable source Lajmmoore (talk) 17:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)