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The Dresden Triptych is a very small hinged-triptych altarpiece signed and dated 1437 by the Early Netherlandish painter Jan van Eyck. It consists of five panels; three inner and two double-sided wings. It may have been intended as a portable altarpiece, and is his only extant non-portrait painting signed with his personal motto ALC IXH XAN ("I Do as I Can"). The outer wings show the Virgin Mary and Archangel Gabriel in an Annunciation scene in grisaille. The inner panels are set in an ecclesiastical interior. In the central inner panel Mary holds the Christ Child; in the left-hand outer wing the Archangel Michael presents a kneeling donor; on the right St. Catherine of Alexandria reads a prayer book. The triptych's frames are the originals; richly decorated with Latin inscriptions they indicate that the donor, whose identity is now lost, was highly educated. The coats of arms on the interior borders are associated with the Giustiniani of Genoa – an influential albergo active from 1362. (Full article...)

Ping Gog...hipefully this will do. Thanks again for the slot. Ceoil (talk) 20:45, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ceoil, that looks good. Unfortunately there is a hard limit of 1,025 characters, including spaces. You were a little over, so I have trimmed the draft blurb to 1,020. Feel entirely free to amend as you see fit - this is merely a suggestion - but bear the limit in mind. I merely coordinate the blurbs; Wehwalt, one of the TFA coordinators selected this for a March slot. Which proves their good taste and discernment. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:25, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok Gog, agree with choice of words to be trimmed. Ceoil (talk) 22:26, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Comments from Crisco 1492

Dresden Gemäldegalerie Alte Meister - Per WP:SEAOFBLUE, splitting these links would be nice.

Yes, done (not by me). Ceoil (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

ALC IXH XAN - What language is this, if a language and not a code?

Mixture of Latin and Flemish, but as its a play on words not strickly either. Will clarify in a note. Ceoil (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Virgin Mary - You have "Marian" earlier, which could be construed as the first mention. Or you could link to a general article on Marian art with the first "Marian".

the Christ child - Since we're linking Mary, may as well link Christ/Christ child

Done. Ceoil (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Why the link to miniature (illuminated manuscript)? I don't think a triptych would fall under "manuscript"

Done (not by me). Ceoil (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

we know that Philip the Good owned at least one. - One of this triptych, or a miniature for personal devotion?

One miniature. Clarified now. Ceoil (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

a typical 14th-century - if van Eyck painted in the 15th century, why would he use a format common to the preceding century?

Child Christ - Isn't Christ Child more common?

Indeed. Switched around. Ceoil (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

on northern artists of 12th and 13th century Italian artists - Can't parse this.

Done (not by me). Ceoil (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

– unlike Robert Campin who favoured domestic settings – - value of the comparison not yet clear

Domestic vs ecclesiastical interiors. Will draw out. Ceoil (talk) 00:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

HIC EST ARCHANGELUS PRINCEPS MILITAE ANGELORUM CUIUS HONOR PRAESTAT BENEFICIA POPULORUM ET ORATARIO PERDUCIT AD REGNA COELORUM. HIC ANGELUS MICHAEL DEI NUNTIUS DE ANIMABUS JUSTIS. GRATIA DEI ILLE VICTOR IN COELIS RESEDIT. A PACIBUS. - No translation?

cn tag added

Brough back and translation cited now. Ceoil (talk)

VIRGO PRUDENS ANELAVIT, GRANUM SIBI RESERVAVIT, VENTILANDO PALEAM. DISIPLINUS EST IMBUTA PUELLA COELESTIBUS, NUDA NUDUM EST SECUTA CHRISTUM PASSIBUS, DUM MUNDANIS EST EXUTA ECT - No translation?

• In #Architecture there's hidden text saying "such as". I agree with it very much. Any examples?

• Yes, added a bit. Victoria (talk) 21:37, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

• This is particularly noticeable with the positioning of the throne in comparison to the Lucca Madonna and the van der Paele panel. - Shouldn't this be combined with the earlier paragraph?

• Yes, done. Victoria (talk) 21:37, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

• You link Genoa in the lead, but don't link it in either of the first two in-text mentions.
• Before 1754 the triptych was thought by Albrecht Dürer, until the German historian Aloys Hirt in 1830 established it as a van Eyck. - This and the preceding sentence may be worth merging
• Margaret - What's with the Easter-egg link?

• We don't have an article about her, this one about her portrait is as about as much as we've written about. But I'll leave this to Ceoil to sort. Victoria (talk) 14:39, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

• Fair enough. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:15, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

• The 1436 work - You just said it's "circa" 1436
• Any more details on the individual restorations?

• Added a small amount from the sources I have available. Victoria (talk) 21:37, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

• In the mid-19th century, at the time of the rediscovery of the Early Netherlandish painters, the Dresden catalogues first attribute it to Hubert van Eyck and a few years later to Jan. - Role of restoration not clear here

• Don't think there is one. Many of van Eyck's paintings were first attributed to his brother Hubert. I'll add something in about that - it's a good point. Victoria (talk) 14:39, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

• Can't find anything simple (beyond a few hundred or so page monologues) that spits this out. See what Ceoil thinks & what he has in his sources. We might just be able to add a note. Victoria (talk) 21:37, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
• Asking about restoration because the version I read was "Van Eyck signed, dated and added his device to the central panel, a fact only discovered when the frame was removed in the course of a mid-19th century restoration", followed by the bit about Hirt attributing it to van Eyck. (Which I had assumed was connected). Interesting about Hubert/Jan. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:02, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

• Good catch and fixed now. Victoria (talk) 15:06, 16 July 2013 (UTC)