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Template:Wannabe Jalva

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Navbox with no links. DB1729talk 23:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Italic ship title

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No transclusions. This appears to be an experiment that was eventually superseded by {{Italic title prefixed}}, which is used in 8,000 pages. This discussion appears to shed light on the process. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2017. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dump

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No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2018. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dot-equivalent

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No transclusions, categories, or incoming links. Created in 2018. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:DeltaTHC

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No transclusions. Created in 2014. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Debate-quit

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No transclusions. Created in 2019. Uses common documentation with no indication of the meaning of this ambiguously named template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:02, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dbraket

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No transclusions. These templates appear to be redundant to {{Bra-ket}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dabprefixes

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No transclusions. Consensus was strongly against the addition of this template to pages when its creator started doing so. Similar templates have been deleted, judging from the red links in that discussion. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CoordinateMessage

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No transclusions. This appears to have been partially imported from de.WP by a very active but now-retired editor, and it is full of untranslated German code and links that will not work here. There does not appear to be any use for it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Comment inline

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No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2021. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The template adds comments that are only visible as a mouse-over tooltip. This violates MOS:NOHOVER, can't work on mobile, can't work on tablets, creates accesibility issues for screen readers, and creates accessibility issues for keyboard-only navigation. It's intended to be used on draft articles in AfC, which are often written by newer editors who don't need something else confusing to parse.
Rjjiii (talk) 04:08, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Color specifications table

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No transclusions. Created in January 2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cite I&N

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No transclusions. Created in January 2024. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. This isn't used. And if it was used, it could be replaced with cite web or Template:Cite court:
{{cite court}}
Matter of Artigas, 23 I&N Dec. 99 (BIA 2001).
{{cite I&N}}

Matter of Artigas, 23 I&N Dec. 99 (BIA 2001).

Rjjiii (talk) 04:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chinese elections (1909–1912)

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No transclusions. Navbox with just two blue links in the body. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ChartColorLegends

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No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2019. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Change2

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No transclusions. Appears to be redundant to {{Change}}; nobody appears to need this self-described "simplified version". Created in 2020. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This template can be deleted if no one is using it.  Buaidh  talk e-mail 18:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cape Town freeways

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Navbox with no transclusions. Appears to have been superseded by the more comprehensive {{Cape Town}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Well, I've noticed that the "Cape Town freeways" template has got all the applicable roads mentioned in it (i.e. numbered routes with freeway sections) while the "Transport" section of the "Cape Town" template merely has a link to the Metropolitan Routes in Cape Town article appearing as Roads in Cape Town. We need to understand that Metropolitan Routes (with a letter M) are not the only numbered routes that Cape Town has & so, I am not sure if removing a template that mentions "N1; N2; N7" for a template that "doesn't mention them" is the right thing to do here. However, I will support if we agree to find a way to represent ALL numbered routes to the "Cape Town" template and not just an article representing Metropolitan Routes. Just as a side note, we have the same situation for Johannesburg road articles; you'll notice that the M1 (Johannesburg) article has got more than one template at the bottom of the article (one for "Johannesburg freeways" and one for "Greater Johannesburg").
GeographicAccountant (talk) 19:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The more comprehensive template links to the "M" and "N" roads in the "Built environment" section, along with R300 and the Peninsula Expressway. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. I didn't notice that. Thanks for stating it. In that case, I support the removal of the Cape Town freeways template. GeographicAccountant (talk) 08:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for the reasons Jonesey95 has laid out, but while we’re on the subject, shouldn’t the numbered M and N routes go in the ‘Road transport’ subsection of the larger Cape Town template rather than the ‘Built environment’ section? The current structure seems quite unintuitive, at least to me. Maybe worth considering? SunTunnels (talk) 15:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Aktogay weatherbox

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No transclusions; apparent vandalism target. Created in 2022. Possibly created for Aktogay, Karaganda Region, but it does not appear to have been used there, and the article has a weatherbox template in it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, looks pretty straightforward and knowledge loss does not seem to be a concern. SunTunnels (talk) 15:26, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Template:Chernivtsi

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Redundant, the city abolished internal districts in 2016 and all links in the template lead to the article for the city anyway. Tuirse (talk) 17:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ASUN Conference football navbox

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Navbox for a defunct American college football conference that has been replaced by the United Athletic Conference. Relevant articles can now use {{United Athletic Conference navbox}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:A-League markets under consideration

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No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2015. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Subscription or advertising

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Unused and redundant with {{subscription}}. Plus, warning that there are ads on a page is silly. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's also a nonsensical application where you have a free-to-read source that's supported by ads, that would now be tagged by both {{free access}} {{Subscription or advertising}} to give (  (subscription or advertising required)). Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
—David Eppstein (talk) 01:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It appears only two transclusions of this template were removed in preparation for this deletion nomination, both of which were correct removals: the sources (1 2) both require a subscription, and don't allow free reading with adblockers disabled.
The linked diff certainly articulates an extreme position, and I do think the logic of this nomination is flawed, but I'm prepared to agree that this template doesn't seem built to the purpose of alerting readers that a source's publisher will not serve content if it detects an adblocker. Add in that the two transclusions live immediately prior to nomination (I may have missed some, but creeping people's contribs makes me feel icky) were both incorrect, and I mildly conclude that the project will be fine without this specific template. A more targeted version can be built to replace it if people want. Folly Mox (talk) 11:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per David Eppstein. Also, free access source with mandatory ads makes perfect sense to me. If the problem is the "subscription" part, make a third template that only says "advertising required". In my opinion, WP's users are entitled to know if a website will force them to look at ads to access the content they want, and yes, they are also entitled to not access a source based on that information. Nickps (talk) 18:13, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok, I'll admit that proposing a post-citation transclusion of this template was an inelegant and dirty middle of the road solution to the problem brought to Help talk:Citation Style 1, and no one really favoured it, but seems kinda poor form to nominate it for deletion whilst the discussion is ongoing, without even notifying the discussion that you've done so.
    That being said, no one favoured this template as a solution. For the editors concerned about flagging sources that refuse to serve content if you're browsing with an adblocker enabled – always recommended for security – including two participants in the linked discussion and Nickps directly above: it should be simple to craft a template that better suits the desired signal for the relevant citations than the ambiguous output of this template, so why not delete anyway. Folly Mox (talk) 11:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Santa Clara County-New

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Unused navbox. From what I gather after reading Template talk:Santa Clara County, California#Possible template tweaks, this was created as an example. Apparently part of an effort to improve an existing navbox, this template, under this particular title, was never adopted for actual use. Template:Santa Clara County, California is the active navbox. DB1729talk 04:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WWDC 2024 Developer's Event

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G2 by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 05:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused. No clear purpose. Seems to be experimental. DB1729talk 02:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Coppa Italia (men's water polo)

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Navbox with one blue link. DB1729talk 01:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Summer Paralympics by year category navigation

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Until these were created, {{Category series navigation}} was used on these categories and did the same thing. The addition of more links isn't needed as using if you really want all links, just use the parent category. Gonnym (talk) 10:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are no longer unused. Liz Read! Talk! 18:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The duplication with existing templates, and the conflict there, could use some more discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To comment on Primefac's relisting comment. The previous template work perfectly fine in these pages. The addition of more links didn't add any real value. If more links is something that is consistently wanted in categories, {{Category series navigation}} can be updated to have that option. However, one needs to show that such a feature is actually in need and not a personal singular preference. Gonnym (talk) 13:56, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Railway signal mast

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Unused railway related image template. Gonnym (talk) 09:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, since it seems to be one of the better alternatives available for depicting these concepts. (I could see it being used in an article about a historical rail incident where signals were implicated, but no contemporary image of that signal aspect exists.) I'd also be interested to know if its creator has concrete plans for it. TheFeds 23:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 19:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:West-Midlands-Metro-Line-One

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 18:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 19:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 01:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Diplomatic missions of Bosnia and Herzegovina

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Navbox with no transclusions or incoming links. No blue links to full articles in the body of the navbox. Created in 2021. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 19:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 00:59, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Warsaw central stations

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Unused route template. Gonnym (talk) 17:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This template was originally intended to provide a reader with detailed scheme of the interchange located in the Warsaw city centre and was inclouded through the "{{Enlarge}}" function in the Template:M1 line (Warsaw Metro). There are other examples on wiki using the same solution, see Template:Railways around London Paddington station RDT linked in e.g. Template:Bakerloo line RDT. — Antoni12345 (talk) 17:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Templates should not be linked to like this as they aren't article content. If they are linked to, that means you are using them as content and they should be an article. Additionally that link itself is an MOS:EGG link, but that is the least of the problem, as links like that will practically never be found as they are hidden away like that. Gonnym (talk) 19:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that ship has sailed (train has left the station?) as {{Enlarge}} is now used on over 750 pages and approximately 250 other templates. Useddenim (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A local consensus in a very small part of the project does not get to override guidelines like MOS:EGG and WP:CLICKHERE. Gonnym (talk) 04:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym:
  1. I think you're misinterpreting the use of {{enlarge}} here so that you can justify your POV in order to be able to delete {{Warsaw central stations}}; and
  2. What's your "better" solution?
Useddenim (talk) 10:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: now added to appropriate pages. Useddenim (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Unused once again.Incorrect
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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