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editWhen the narrator addresses the character
editI've been listening to South African radio recordings of The Avengers and some times the narrator says something to the character, such as "You should have seen that coming Steed!" . Is there a special name for this theatrical technique? TrogWoolley (talk) 03:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- This happens in Our Town, a play by Thornton Wilder. Our article describes it as part of Metatheatre. HiLo48 (talk) 04:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- It may be insufficiently common to have been given a recognized name. It is in a sense the mirror image of breaking the fourth wall: the message is communicated from the real world into the fictional universe, instead of characters in the fictional universe addressing an audience in the real world. The latter is much more dramatic, though, because it absurdly implies that the fictional character knows there is another universe "out there", with sentient observers. The narrator talking to the character merely suggests that they are so absorbed by the narrative that they forget it is not really happening. --Lambiam 11:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Breaking the fourth wall is usually a communication from the characters to the audience - communication that actually gets through, and therefore does 'break' the wall. In this (Avengers) case, although the narrator addresses the character, I assume that there is no evidence that the character hears anything, so I would still see it as just commentary.
- I could be wrong, not having heard or seen the performance in question. I'm sure I have come across a narrator successfully communicating with a character (ie warning or instructing them) but I think it would have been in an animated cartoon or film. Perhaps Fantasia (1940 film) does this when the narrator talks to the sound track. -- Verbarson talkedits 15:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- It may be insufficiently common to have been given a recognized name. It is in a sense the mirror image of breaking the fourth wall: the message is communicated from the real world into the fictional universe, instead of characters in the fictional universe addressing an audience in the real world. The latter is much more dramatic, though, because it absurdly implies that the fictional character knows there is another universe "out there", with sentient observers. The narrator talking to the character merely suggests that they are so absorbed by the narrative that they forget it is not really happening. --Lambiam 11:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not the narrator (nor a play), a character talking to another character in a film within a film in Woody Allen's The Purple Rose of Cairo. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- A good example of a narrator who interacts with the characters in a story is Isambard Sinclair in the British animated series Danger Mouse. Both Sinclair and Danger Mouse were voiced by David Jason. Turner Street (talk) 10:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- It happens fairly often in classic Warner and Hanna-Barbera cartoons. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- A good example of a narrator who interacts with the characters in a story is Isambard Sinclair in the British animated series Danger Mouse. Both Sinclair and Danger Mouse were voiced by David Jason. Turner Street (talk) 10:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Has a buzzer beater ever been decided by a single frame?
editIt should be harder now with cameras of 60, 120 and more frames per second becoming increasingly available. What would they do if they can't tell? Would they ask everyone in the stadium for photos and video that might have frame(s) with unlit backboards and no ball contact? If the basket counting would be a 3 that wins by 2 they couldn't just say screw this, let's just give full or half credit whichever makes overtime the winner chooser instead of us. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not likely they would appeal to fans. As with any other replay situation, they would check to see if there's incontrovertible evidence that the call on the floor was incorrect, i.e. whether the ball left the shooter's hand before the backboard lit up. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- A 2 foot shot released 2 feet below the rim is best done at about 10 miles per hour (4.5 meters per second) and a close 3 pointer released 2 feet below the rim is best done at about 8 to 9 meters per second so if there are enough 30 or 60 hertz buzzer beaters there should be one where the hand is clearly touching one frame, clearly not the next and clearly lit for the first time the frame after that. So it could be unambiguous at closer than 1/30th or 1/60th of a second with any given 30 or 60 hertz video having one frame of proof at most. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Judging when the ball left the hand can be easier said than done. Depends on the camera angle(s), for example. And in the current tournaments, they've had lengthy reviews of out-of-bounds balls in which it's hard to tell, even at close range, who last touched it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- True, the official cameras might have bad angles. They should add official angles everywhere, regular and many frames per second many pixels. They have new 50 megapixel cameras for a few thousand or less and 960 frames per second for a few thousand or less but both at once for 2 hours with more than a few thousand frames not deleted at any given time isn't easy. At least I'll probably live long enough to see something like that if they can't do it yet. They have cameras now that show the hand tissues recoil from barehanded cricket catches. Cause a cricketer can be out or not by millimeters and milliseconds and then he can't play for 3 days. This is impressive cause a cricket field can be up to 0.11 miles wide (Australia's largest Test cricket field is about 0.1 miles wide in both directions). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- The organization would first have to be convinced of the need for the extra expense, given how seldom your described situation arises. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- True, the official cameras might have bad angles. They should add official angles everywhere, regular and many frames per second many pixels. They have new 50 megapixel cameras for a few thousand or less and 960 frames per second for a few thousand or less but both at once for 2 hours with more than a few thousand frames not deleted at any given time isn't easy. At least I'll probably live long enough to see something like that if they can't do it yet. They have cameras now that show the hand tissues recoil from barehanded cricket catches. Cause a cricketer can be out or not by millimeters and milliseconds and then he can't play for 3 days. This is impressive cause a cricket field can be up to 0.11 miles wide (Australia's largest Test cricket field is about 0.1 miles wide in both directions). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Judging when the ball left the hand can be easier said than done. Depends on the camera angle(s), for example. And in the current tournaments, they've had lengthy reviews of out-of-bounds balls in which it's hard to tell, even at close range, who last touched it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- A 2 foot shot released 2 feet below the rim is best done at about 10 miles per hour (4.5 meters per second) and a close 3 pointer released 2 feet below the rim is best done at about 8 to 9 meters per second so if there are enough 30 or 60 hertz buzzer beaters there should be one where the hand is clearly touching one frame, clearly not the next and clearly lit for the first time the frame after that. So it could be unambiguous at closer than 1/30th or 1/60th of a second with any given 30 or 60 hertz video having one frame of proof at most. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Rachael Blackmore and Gigginstown Cheltenham Festival winners
editHow many of Rachael Blackmore's 16 Cheltenham Festival winners were owned by Gigginstown? I know that Honeysuckle and A Plus Tard were not owned by Gigginstown. (78.19.48.239 (talk) 15:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC))
- There's no evidence she rides for the stud (I don't know if she rides for any of the trainers they place their horses with). Shows how little I know about racing - I never heard of the outfit till now. Anyway, her winners are at Rachael Blackmore#Cheltenham Festival winners (16). For the stud's Cheltenham record see [1] and [2]. For the ownership of Rachael's rides see [3] then enter name of mount. Long story short - the answer to the question is "none". 2A02:C7B:210:BA00:31A4:5438:18D8:D093 (talk) 13:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC)