Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Failed log/March 2010

B'Day

B'Day

10 articles

"Beautiful Liar"

"Déjà Vu (Beyoncé Knowles song)"

"Get Me Bodied"

"Green Light (Beyoncé Knowles song)"

"Irreplaceable"

"Listen (song)"

"Ring the Alarm"

"Suga Mama"

"Upgrade U"

Although I was not the main contributor on any topic, I decided to nominate them because who managed to Good Article class, maybe forgot nominate them to Good Topics. Tbhotch^Talk 19:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I removed B'Day From being listed twice. Zginder 2010-03-13T16:06Z (UTC)

• Why is Suga Mama, which is a good article, not included? Zginder 2010-03-13T16:06Z (UTC)

• I didn't know about the song. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 02:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose - the topic is missing the articles Check on It (another single on the deluxe version of the album), Amor Gitano (ditto), Hollywood (Jay-Z song) (single featuring Beyonce with reworked version on deluxe edition), B'Day Anthology Video Album (video album released with the deluxe version), Irreemplazable (EP released with the deluxe version), Beyoncé Karaoke Hits, Vol. I (compilation of stuff from EP and deluxe version), BET Presents Beyoncé (DVD released with the original album), The Beyoncé Experience (the tour in support of the album), The Beyoncé Experience Live (DVD of the tour) and Beyoncé The Ultimate Performer (another DVD released in support of the tour). Maybe these 10 missing articles are the reason why the topic hasn't been nominated by those who got the GAs! (who should at any rate have been notified of this GT) 20 articles associated with one album must be some kind of record though... rst20xx (talk) 03:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment Excepting (perhaps) for "Check on it", some of the listed articles before shouldn't are from the principal topic, e.g. tours. Like on the Featured topic: Wikipedia:Featured topics/Love. Angel. Music. Baby., there only show the album and album's songs, but no the tour Harajuku Lovers Tour 2005. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 03:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

...But then, if you look at other album topics, they usually include tour article/DVD articles/EP articles, if they exist. Look at, for example, Rock Steady, Confessions on a Dance Floor and Phantom Power, which all include articles of these varieties.

The topics lacking some of these articles are Love. Angel. Music. Baby. (as you pointed out), True Blue (missing Who's That Girl World Tour) and the three Coldplay topics (tour articles, maybe also an EP in one case). So I make that 5 album topics lacking, and 9 including everything (there are 14 total). But if you look at the dates the topics were promoted, the more recent ones are the more inclusive ones. Interestingly Rock Steady recently went through an FTRC due to lacking Rock Steady Live, and the result was that this article was brought up to GA and added to the topic, thus the topic was kept. I think what you're noticing is that standards are shifting. Further, it makes sense that a tour supporting an album is within the scope of that album's topic, doesn't it? After all, there is a section B'Day#Tour.

And at any rate, you seem to agree that Check on It should be added (what about Amor Gitano?). You've also ignored the point that you should have notified those who got the articles up to scratch before nominating the topic - rst20xx (talk) 13:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• I'd at least think that Hollywood (Jay-Z song) and Check on It should be here. Gary King (talk) 16:08, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Guys your right, I anticipated the nominee. Check on it, Amor Gitano and Hollywood should be here too. Where can I decline the nomination? Also, I searched who was the major contributor. User:Efe was the one who got the GA and FA articles but currently is inactive. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 02:36, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah he's inactive, but still visits. Maybe you can work with him on this topic to complete it? Gary King (talk) 02:57, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, but it should be in other time (when he is active) and when I'm not busy. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 03:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose I do think that the singles off the deluxe version need to be included as the lead is the article about the "normal and deluxe versions. Zginder 2010-03-16T16:16Z (UTC)
• Nomination withdrawn - rst20xx (talk) 16:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Cathay Pacific

Cathay Pacific

3 articles

Air Hong Kong

Dragonair

I am nominating this topic as Good Topic. This is one of the best airline in the world and it is from one of the smallest city in the world. Interestingly, both of the related articles Air Hong Kong and Dragonair are former competitors of Cathay Pacific.

• GA - Cathay Pacific (Lead)
• GA - Air Hong Kong
• GA - Dragonair

Aviator006 (talk) 13:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose, this topic is cherry picking. For the topic to be featured, Cathay Pacific fleet, Cathay Pacific destinations, and Dragonair destinations should be brought to Featured List status. Those articles would also make this a featured topic instead of a good topic. -MBK₀₀₄ 19:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - per MBK004, these three articles need adding (they appear to be the only missing three as well) - rst20xx (talk) 20:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Apologies, I certainly didn't mean to look like I am cherry picking. I thought I can add them into the topic later, once they are good enough to be included. Anyway, I am in the process of bring the other three Lists to FL quality, please bear with me. (Work in Progress - List of Dragonair destinations) --Aviator006 (talk) 09:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Topics need to have all articles included from the start. Supplementary nominations tend to happen when a new article is created, or when the scope of the topic is changed slightly. Should I withdraw this? - rst20xx (talk) 15:44, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I have nominated List of Dragonair destinations for FL, and the other two may take a little time. Please kindly withdraw this nomination. Sorry for any inconvenience. Aviator006 (talk) 16:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Nomination withdrawn - no worries, now you know for next time - rst20xx (talk) 17:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Moltke class battlecruisers

Moltke-class battlecruiser

3 articles

SMS Moltke

SMS Goeben

A class of two ships built for the German navy before World War I. As an added bonus, the image being used is Featured as well. Parsecboy (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

• Comment - is your soon-to-be completed FT going to interfere with this one? —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 15:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
  • I don't see how there would be interference, class topics are different from that type of topic. The only issue there is whether or not to use subtopics since we have the class topics. Of course that is a discussion for when that topic is nominated, not now. -MBK₀₀₄ 22:26, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
    • Rst is discussing this below now. :) —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 16:40, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

• Support (also I have removed the disambig year from Moltke since we don't need it in the topic display). -MBK₀₀₄ 22:26, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
• Comment - when the class topic comes around, I'd advocate folding that one into this one. I would support this being featured in the meantime, but the class topic is incredibly close to getting here itself - its lead is at FLC, and if that is promoted then it is ready. So the time between this FTC closing and that one opening could be a matter of days. Hence I think it's worth establishing now whether this should be a subtopic of that one, or part of it, and if the latter is decided, it's not worth promoting this until the FLC finishes. As I said, I'd advocate combining the topics, as there are 13 articles involved, which is a perfectly reasonable number for a topic, and the unified presentation looks very neat. Better one of 13 than three of 8, 3 and 4 - rst20xx (talk) 14:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

  ...and now it's been promoted, so the larger FT is complete - rst20xx (talk) 16:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

  So shall we merge this into the larger one? Does this need to be archived or what? Parsecboy (talk) 13:13, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

  Also, what'll happen to Wikipedia:Featured topics/Derfflinger class battlecruisers? Will it be absorbed into the full one? Parsecboy (talk) 13:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

  I think the answers are yes and yes. This has happened once before by the way, when the Halo trilogy topic was merged into the Halo media topic. I'll archive this when I have the time, feel free to bring a new nomination - rst20xx (talk) 11:17, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

• Close with no consensus to promote - in light of the above nomination, this one is now redundant - rst20xx (talk) 16:18, 5 March 2010 (UTC)