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List of accolades received by Mohabbatein

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Nominator(s): —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 01:35, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating it because I believe this list is comprehensive enough. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 01:35, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:18, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: While the list looks well-done, as your lists consistently are, it seems fairly short – 43 awards is definitely on the low end for stand-alone award lists. Additionally, the main article, Mohabbatein, is fairly short; the readable prose size is only 13 kB (that doesn't count the cast list or the soundtrack table, but even those would only take the list to ~16 kB, by my estimate). Since page length doesn't seem to be an issue for the main article, is there any reason this was split from the main article, especially since it passed GAN with the awards list included? Per WP:FLCR #3C, FLs "could not reasonably be included as part of a related article"; we shouldn't be splitting content to create lists without a good reason for doing so. I'd also be curious to get comments from other users – if it turns out they're fine with the list's size, I won't worry about this. RunningTiger123 (talk) 05:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This movie was nominated for nearly 50 award categories, so I think it maybe appropriate to split it into its own article. Actually, the film also won five trophies from Sansui but this award function doesn't have an article on Wikipedia and, like what the reviewers said when they reviewed my first featured list, I can't include it unless its article had been created. Yes, the main article itself is short but the award table has been big enough. The awards on the table may also be adding if I could find more awards the film won; moreover, I find 43 a big number (how about you?) so why not? If I add the Sansuis too, the number will increase to 48. I will split the award table if the film wins more than 10 awards and was nominated for more than 40 categories; the FL policy also does not require a list article (especially an award list one) to have a specific size, does it? —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 05:58, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I brought this up simply because I've seen the minimum length of awards lists come up before (i.e., this discussion from last year at WT:TV) and 43 was right around some suggested cut-offs. In regard to FL policy, there is no requirement for a list to have a minimum size, but FLs are required to meet the guidelines for stand-alone lists and cannot be reasonably included elsewhere, so shorter lists need to have a good reason for existing. I think this quote from the linked discussion summarizes my view well: "We really need to get away from the idea of 'splitting just because we can'. There really needs to be a compelling reason to split out content." Again, to be clear, this is just something I wanted to note since I've seen it mentioned elsewhere; if other users don't have an issue with it, I'd be happy to support the nomination. RunningTiger123 (talk) 06:25, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since nobody else has commented on the list length in several months, I'll go ahead and assume it's fine. My complete review:

  • "It narrates the story" → "It tells the story"
  • "production cost of" → "production budget of"
  • Aditya Chopra should sort before Uday Chopra, Farah Khan should sort before Shah Rukh Khan, and Archana Puran Singh should sort before Manmohan Singh
  • One entry for Manmohan Singh (for Sansui Viewers' Choice Movie Awards) is sorting by first name, not last name

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 00:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The sorting appears to be all messed up now – it was sorting by surname initially, but now it's not. The original sorting was correct aside from the few issues I had pointed out; Template:Sortname should sort out any issues with the sorting. RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:54, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 00:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:18, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • This is probably very pedantic, but this article says the title translates to "The Love Stories" whereas the film's main article just says "Love Stories". I don't know if this actually really matters, but just "Love Stories" sounds more natural IMO.......
  • "The film's rest focuses" - don't know what this means. What do you mean by "the film's rest"?
  • "changes his views of it" => "changes his views"
  • "at the sets designed by Sharmishta Roy" => "on sets designed by Sharmishta Roy"
  • "while the editing was finished by V. Karnik" => "while the editor was V. Karnik" (unless you specifically mean that someone else started the editing (if so, who?) and Karnik just finished it off......?)
  • "the film—a commercial success—had a total gross" - I think the bit between the dashes is redundant. It doesn't read very naturally as written and I suspect that readers can probably work out that a film which grossed more than 6 times what it cost was a success
  • In the third paragraph of the lead, you restate Aditya Chopra's name multiple names but only refer to the others by their surnames. Be consistent.
It is because there are three Chopras in the lead: Aditya Chopra, Uday Chopra, and Yash Chopra. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 02:29, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and won four of which that include" => "and won four, including"
  • "one Screen Awards" => "one Screen Award"
  • Don't stack the refs vertically within the cell. If you re-sort the table it results in lots of massively tall rows.
  • There seems to be a random mix of people's names sorting by surname and forename in the recipients column, eg Anupam Kher sorts under K, but Manmohan Singh sorts under M.
  • Note a is a complete sentence so needs a full stop
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:06, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 02:38, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support and source/image review by Gerald Waldo Luis - pass

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Looks decent!, just have some comments. GeraldWL 09:49, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • The image is licensed well and has appropriate caption, but regarding the alt text I don't think he's posing for the camera, since he's not even staring straight. Perhaps "Amitabh Bachchan interview"?
  • All sources are good, but needs a bit tweak. The first source needs to be moved according to alphabetical order, and in the location, remove ", India". Link The Tribune (Chandigarh) Some of the website names are linked but others aren't. "Filmfare Awards", "Bollywood Movie Awards", "International Indian Film Academy Awards", "Yash Raj Films", "Rediff.com" must be in publisher parameter.
Resolved comments from GeraldWL 06:57, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
* "Awards and nominations received by Mohabbatein" --> "Accolades received by Mohabbatein"
  • "Mohabbatein awards and nominations" --> "Accolades received by Mohabbatein"
  • "Mohabbatein's soundtrack was composed by Jatin–Lalit, and the lyrics were written by Anand Bakshi. The film was shot by Manmohan Singh on sets designed by Sharmishta Roy, while the editor was V. Karnik." It would be great to include information on the music, editing, and cinematography accolades in the third paragraph to make this sentence relevant in the lead
  • "and produced by Yash Chopra"-- I don't think this info is needed.
  • "It won 18 awards out of 48 nominations; the cast's performances, the story, and the screenplay garnered the most attention from various award groups." This can be combined with the third paragraph, but change "It" to the film title.
  • "It stars an ensemble cast of Amitabh Bachchan, Shah Rukh Khan, Aishwarya Rai, and the newcomers Uday Chopra, Shamita Shetty, Jugal Hansraj, Kim Sharma, Jimmy Sheirgill, and Preeti Jhangiani." I would suggest just including the ensemble cast, as adding the recurring cast is prob a bit too much for a list of accolades article.
  • At "Notes", suggest adding {{Portal|Bollywood}} (altho this is trivial)
Done. —Nicholas Michael Halim (talk) 01:00, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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