Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of FIFA World Cup winning managers/archive2
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List of FIFA World Cup winning managers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Nominator(s): NapHit (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done a bit of work on this, taking into consideration the last failed nom, and now think it's ready for another go. With the World Cup in a couple of months, would be nice to get this one over the line by then. Thanks in advance for your comments. NapHit (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
edit- Wikilink the teams in the first paragraph (but not on subsequent mentions in the lead)
- Wikilink the term manager
- Wikilink Bilardo in the lead
- "Helmut Schön, who led West Germany" - he's already been mentioned, so just use surname this time
- 1974 FIFA World Cup is overlinked
- "Mario Zagallo and César Luis Menotti were also in their 30s" - surname only for Zagallo here and on the next mention
- "Franz Beckenbauer (as a player in 1974, as a manager in 1990)" - surname only here
- There's an error in ref 7
- That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your comments @ChrisTheDude:, I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 21:17, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- Idiosincrático (talk) 00:28, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from BennyOnTheLoose
edit- Looks like there are a few updates to citations needed now we have a 2022 entry. (Most obviously, for the table of winners).
- Also, some of the other sources don't cover the most recent entries, e.g. a 2010 ref is used for oldest/youngest winners.
- Text seems fine. I'm happy to do a source and/or image review after citations are updated.
Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:16, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the comments @BennyOnTheLoose:, I've updated the refs, let me know if I've missed any. I've tried to replace the older refs that you mentioned too, specifically the youngest and oldest winners. I also had to add a specific ref on Scaloni winning, as the RSSSf link hasn't been updated yet. NapHit (talk) 20:10, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Thanks for making the updates. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:52, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the comments @BennyOnTheLoose:, I've updated the refs, let me know if I've missed any. I've tried to replace the older refs that you mentioned too, specifically the youngest and oldest winners. I also had to add a specific ref on Scaloni winning, as the RSSSf link hasn't been updated yet. NapHit (talk) 20:10, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Source review
edit- I wasn't familiar with rsssf.com but it seems fine per the discussion at RSN.
- There is no consensus on the reliability of the Evening Standard at Perennial Sources, so ideally this should be replaced with a different source.
- Other sources look reliable.
- I did spot checks for a few sources: IMF; 2022 rsssf.com; Evans in The Guardian; Butler in The Guardian; Jolly in The Independent. No issues.
- Need a newer source than Owsianski & DiMaggio (16 August 2018) for the information it seeks to support ("Five other managers finished as winners once and runners-up once ... Five other managers finished as winners once and runners-up once ... Didier Deschamps (winner in 2018, runner-up in 2022))
- Unless you convince me otherwise, I think we also need a more recent source than 2018/2019 for:
- "Carlos Alberto Parreira holds the record for attending the most FIFA World Cup final tournaments as manager with six appearances while managing five different national teams."
- "Schön, who led West Germany to victory in the 1974 World Cup, has managed the most matches in the tournament at 25, and won a record 16 matches during his spell as West Germany from 1966 to the 1978 FIFA World Cup."
- "Three men have won the tournament both as a player and as a manager.."
That's all on sources from me; I'm happy for any other editors to comment. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:50, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for reviewing the sources @BennyOnTheLoose:, I've gone through and made all the changes you suggested. I wasn't sure whether I was going to find more recent sources for some of the above, but I found quite a few. For some of them. NapHit (talk) 22:58, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- The new sources appear to be OK. I formatted one ISBN for consistency. There's a slight inconsistency in the non-English-language sources - two have the language specified but La Repubblica doesn't. I'd suggest also adding the trans-title parameter for these three sources, although I can't confirm that it's a requirement. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I replaced the La Reppublica source with one from the BBC and added the two translated titles as suggested. Thanks again, @BennyOnTheLoose:. NapHit (talk) 14:29, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Pass for source review. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:51, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Image review
edit- All images are PD or CC.
- The ALT text is mostly OK, but I think "Zagallo (cropped) with Parreira and president Lula" should be amended to better reflect the content of the cropped image used.
- Images are relevant and have suitable captions. Positioning is fine. (I sometimes suggest adding the date taken to image captions but I don't think it's required here.)
That's all on sources from me; I'm happy for any other editors to comment. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:00, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review Benny, I've edited the alt text and responded above about the sources. Many thanks and merry Christmas! NapHit (talk) 22:59, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Pass for image review. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:27, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from EnthusiastWorld37
edit- "runners-up in 1966" - pretty certain the wording in bold should be spelt runner-up
- "during his spell as West Germany from 1966" - as West Germany manager
- Wikilink the term captain to Captain (association football)
- "of their respective team" - teams
- "World Cup 1930–2018 — Info on Coaches" - this reference title should be changed to 2022 since it has been updated
That's all the comments I have on this neatly presented list 16:29, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the comments @EnthusiastWorld37:, I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 17:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Support EnthusiastWorld37 (talk) 17:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
edit- The only line that sticks out for me is "Carlos Alberto Parreira holds the record for attending the most FIFA World Cup final tournaments as manager." I think it would be better to drop the word "attending", which makes it sound like he may have been a guest at some of them. Harper J. Cole (talk) 00:40, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the comment @Harper J. Cole:, I've reworded that sentence. NapHit (talk) 11:31, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Support
- Harper J. Cole (talk) 12:14, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Promoting. --PresN 17:43, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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