Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of European cities by population within city limits/archive1

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The list was archived by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of European cities by population within city limits

Featured list candidates/List of European cities by population within city limits/archive1

Nominator(s): Lionel Cristiano^? 13:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a very good list, I don't think there's anything missing. Lionel Cristiano^? 13:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh Lionel Cristiano^? 13:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lionel Cristiano: Why have you pinged me? Hey man im josh (talk) 13:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Featured list criteria. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Lionel Cristiano^? 13:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment - images need alt text. Staraction (talk | contribs) 03:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment

The lead is far too short and does not provide an adequate summary of the article
Per MOS:BOLD, bolding should not be used to identify items meeting a certain criterion. Use a colour and symbol instead
Why do a handful of entries have no number in the first column? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Dajasj

I would recommend putting the map in the top right corner. It does not need to be that big in the bottom and it gives more context in the top than an image of Istanbul. If you keep it there, I would suggest changing the width to 960px (which is the default width voor Vector 2022). Dajasj (talk) 20:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! City becomes !scope=col | City. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | [[Istanbul]] becomes !scope=row | [[Istanbul]]. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead. In your case, you're using a table class to create a first column, so I'm not sure how you would make that the row header, but since you also skip numbers for some rows I guess the city name cell should be the header.
Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --Pres N 21:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Mattximus

Featured lists no longer use self-referential sentences: "In this article, cities are sorted by official population." That sentence can be removed. As with "The rankings". Just needs a bit of a rewording. If you do need to refer to the list itself it can go in notes at the appropriate part of the list.
Much of the lead is framed towards explaining caveats of the list and not actually summarizing the list itself. This is a major issue with this page, you need to summarize the list in the lead.
I'm confused at the inclusion criteria, why is Greater London included (not City of London) but Greater Paris isn't?
And we need to distinguish somehow the population estimates versus actual census counts. Estimates can vary wildly from actual population counts.
Note for Istanbul should be a sentence and not point form, and should have a reference.
What exactly is "official population"
Capital cities in bold should be in legend or note as a colour and symbol.

Oppose for now, lots of issues found but not insurmountable. Mattximus (talk) 16:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, main contributor is blocked. I have a feeling that As some cities have narrow boundaries and others wide ones, the list may not give an accurate view of the comparative magnitude of different places, and the figures in the list should be treated with caution: for example, Paris is the second most populous urban area in Europe, but the strict definition of the administrative limits of the City of Paris results in a far lower population shown in the table. should be copyedited and I also highly doubt the section Map needs a heading. 48 JCL 22:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the lead is insufficient for an FL, which I would expect to have much more prose. "some cities have narrow boundaries and others wide ones" is too vague. The only city mentioned in the lead is Paris, for no good reason. The list could be much longer, since I'm pretty sure data is available for a great many cities below the one million mark. Also, the nom is CU-blocked. Toadspike [Talk] 14:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited the lead a little to fix some of the poor wording, but I still oppose this nomination, since greater improvement than some drive-by copyediting is needed. Toadspike [Talk] 14:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PresN: I'm not aware of the standard policy in these types of situations, but the nominator has been checkuser blocked by Bradv. Would a closure of this nomination be appropriate, given the circumstances? Hey man im josh (talk) 12:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh: Yep, nominator being blocked typically means we close the nomination, unless someone immediately steps up to take it over. In this case, with multiple opposes on top of that, I think we can call this done. --Pres N 18:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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