Talk:Navrátil

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved Consensus appears to have established that per Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Standards, this article should be moved. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 04:59, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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Navratil → Navrátil –Relisted. Lets give it 7 more days and see if we can reach a consensus. Lynch7 17:31, 10 March 2012 (UTC) Navratil is a de-diacriticized version of a common Czech surname Navrátil. We should have disambiguation pages with original spellings of surnames, so people can actually learn something, including the etymology. Darwinek (talk) 21:54, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

If your argument is that this a disambiguation page, then it should be at "Navratil" (without a diacritic) because dab pages are navigation aids first. However, I would argue that, based on previous discussion of similar pages, this is as surname stub "article" with a list. (It would help if there were some article text.) The fact that there is no entity titled or widely known as "Navrá[a]til" buttresses my position. —  AjaxSmack  02:34, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

• Weak support. Could also split it between the pages for people named with diacritics and those without, if such exist. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 21:59, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose - Some of the names on the list use the English alphabet as does wikipedia if at all possible. Readers are gong to be typing in Navratil to find names that are both using and not using foreign lettering so best if it's in standard English for our English readers and use non-English Navrátil as a redirect as is done now. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:10, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

  Please do not remove diacritics from the lead of the page. Navrátil is a typical Czech surname and sentence "Navratil is a Czech surname" does not make any sense. Especially when we consider the feminine version of the surname, which in the USA is simply Navratil, whereas in Czech it is Navrátilová according to the rules of the Czech language. - Darwinek (talk) 22:04, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. What is the point putting diacritics in the title of a DAB? It is supposed to be a navigation aid, not an etymology resource. Not many readers are using search terms with diacritics in them. Some of these entries use diacritics, others do not. So there is no issue of "correct spelling". Kauffner (talk) 23:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

• Support. This is technically not a DAB page but a surname "article" with a list. (Such a format is detailed at WP:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Standards.) Saying "Navrátil is a Czech surname..." without a diacritic is incorrect. Please note diacritic usage at other articles in Category:Czech-language surnames. —  AjaxSmack  05:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose clearly there are people who don't use diacritics. As this is a generalized list, it should use the non-accented form, if it is to cover people with and without diacritics, or you could delete the people who don't use diacritics... 70.24.251.71 (talk) 05:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

• Support. If we are to have a page on a name, it's pretty obvious that it should be correctly spelled. HandsomeFella (talk) 10:57, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

  Comment: Alternative spellings, and people using them, could be listed under a "See also" section, or something similar. HandsomeFella (talk) 14:50, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

• Support since this is a Czech surname and most of the people listed are named Navrátil. Most importantly, the inaccurate claim that "Navratil is a Czech surname" needs to be corrected. Prolog (talk) 12:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support; move it to the more accurate name. If kauffner is concerned that some people are using slightly inaccurate search terms, that's what we have redirects for. bobrayner (talk) 19:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
• Comment. Many more readers come through Google than through redirects. The readers Googling for the version of the name with the diacritic are usually looking for Czech-language results. Compare Navrátil and Navratil. Kauffner (talk) 18:30, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose: disambiguation includes both Czech people, spelled with diacritic, and people of other nationalities, spelled without diacritic. The title should be without the diacritic, as it is more neutral and involves both groups (spellings). --RJFF (talk) 14:49, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
  • This is technically not a DAB page but a stub "article" about a surname along with a list. Wikipedia frowns on disambiguation pages where there is no entity titled or widely known by the name (see WP:DAB discussion). —  AjaxSmack  02:34, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support, or change category to dab - for better or worse Category:Czech-language surnames are given in Czech, with redirects for German versions appearing in italics in that category list. By WP:Consistency this should be the same, or go through every surname in that category redirecting to accentless German-Czech or American-Czech versions. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:43, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

• Support. I think modern search engines are smart enough to find "Navrátil" if someone typed just "Navratil". D_T_G (PL) 22:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support. Despite my slight ambivalence, due to the existence on the list of more than one individual who is not a Central European but who instead has CE roots. However, as the name itself is deeply rooted in Slavonic languages, I feel it ought to be moved for encyclopaedic accuracy. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 09:05, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
• Support per AjaxSmack. Cloudz679 13:37, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.