Talk:List of colleges and universities in Delaware/Archive 1

Archive 1

State Institutions

Defunct Institutions: I was hoping someone could do an entry for the Delaware State Normal University 1866-1871 as I wanted to do a cross link for William Chase Temple, famous Pittsburgh businessman, sports team owner and citrus grower. He was a graduate of the school and people think his university is a typo which it isn't. I am a wikipedia newbie and I think it needs someone more seasoned to do it. The University was located in Wilmington, Delaware and was a private institution, I think I have also seen it with College or School instead of University. I have also seen entries for Harkness Academy in Wilmington. In addition to the listing in History of Public School Education in Delaware https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED540854.pdf. There are also newspapers articles about the school on newspapers.com . John C. Harkness was President. The School accepted men and women and was located at 220 Market Street. It is possible there are other famous graduates.

Someone has padded the list of state institutions, when all of these, I believe, should be private. Don't have time to look at them now, but someone with some time should have a look. Isoxyl (talk) 15:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Moving UD from private to public list. It has a notation of "private but state funded" but that claim seems confused. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:19, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

All right, I'm not going to get into a undo war. The University of Delaware and Del State are both publicly owned institutions. They both have an administration that has some autonomy to protect academic freedom but they are funded directly by the General Assembly and both offer discounted tuition to in-state students (not a hallmark of a private institution). UD may have a little more leeway than DSU because of their larger endowment, but both are similarly situated. Listing one as public and the other as private makes little sense but such is Wikipedia. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Look, I could care less which UD is, but my understanding was that it was private but publically supported. If you have good evidence that this is NOT the case, please supply it, provide links, whatever. I just want the article right. I'm not trying to exert any power or go all "Wikipedia" on you. I just want the article to be right. My understanding was different but could definitely be wrong. So educate me! Isoxyl (talk) 17:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to get snippy. I found the source of the confusion: UD is lying. Their website claims they are a "state-assisted, privately governed institution"([1]). You get a more accurate picture if you go over to the state of Delaware web site. UD is a land grant state college ([2]) although it's predecessor was a private institution. A third of the UD Board of Trustees are appointed by the governor and approved by the state senate (the rest are appointed by those trustees), UD has police (private entities can only have "constables" in Delaware) and eminent domain powers ([3]). So UD is state funded, state owned, state controled and has state powers.RevelationDirect (talk) 05:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Then I would say, go ahead and make changes, provide refs as you did above for the changes, and we're good to go. If someone from UD wants to change that later, they can provide refs to counteract your changes. Thanks for looking into it!  :) Isoxyl (talk) 15:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Consolidating Groups

The University of Delaware issues Associates, Bachelor, and Graduate degrees. So which of the three categories should it be under? Several of the 4-year colleges issue MBAs. I propose we only subdivide this list by Colleges and Technical schools. So we would list the 9 colleges (it's a small state!) alphabetically without regard to degrees disputes over private/public status. Feedback?RevelationDirect (talk) 01:43, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Was bold and did it.RevelationDirect (talk) 00:58, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks better, thanks for doing that! Isoxyl (talk) 17:50, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Trade Schools

What do we want in this section? I think of trade schools as ones that issue or help to obtain licenses or certificates rather than issuing degrees. Should we include only those recognized by the Department of Ed for student loan purposes? Should we include computer training centers? Should we include union apprentice programs for construction trades? Should we include the 5 technical high schools? No strong opinion here but I think we can improve this section if we know the parameters.RevelationDirect (talk) 00:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Tried to improve this section a bit. I'm for making it the same as this list (minus colleges) so we have a fixed list: http://www.educationdepartment.org/location/DE RevelationDirect (talk) 23:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Changes made by A Stop at Willoughby

OK, a number of changes were made by A Stop at Willoughby as follows:

• Trade Schools removed.
• Branch Campuses removed
• External links to colleges removed.
• Two year/four year/private/public/out of state categories created.

Lets discuss this month and come to a concensus. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

My two cents on the changes:

• Good riddance. The trade schools were a mess. Beebe Nursing school may need to be re-added but otherwise we're not missing anything here.
• Branch campuses are smaller in Delaware but are listed in other states and should be included.
• The external links are helpful.
• Ugh, there is no such academic distinction. Widener Law School is a three year school (L1, L2, L3). Wilmington College is a two-year college since most students pick up their masters there (years 5 and 6), UD issues Associates, Bachelors, Masters, and Doctoral degrees and is accordingly a 2, 4, 6, and 10 year college and should be listed in each category. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

DTCC campuses

It looks to me like Delaware Technical Community College is a single school that just has four physical campuses. See, for example, the list of institutions accredited by the MSA, which accredits DTCC as a single school since 2013. I think they should be combined into a single list entry. I know this doesn't agree with how they are listed in the Carnegie Classification, but that is just one source, it is not the be-all and end-all of college listings. Toohool (talk) 02:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Consensus has not been reached here, so therefore, I've reverted the most recent edits. -- West Virginian (talk) 08:33, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Do you think that every edit has to have the support of multiple editors on the talk page beforehand? If you disagree with my edit, please say so and why you disagree. Toohool (talk) 08:57, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Toohool, the existing standard on Wikipedia for featured lists of colleges utilizes the pre-existing criteria set forth by the United States Department of Education and the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education for identifying individual post-secondary institutions. The Middle States Commission on Higher Education seems to accredit each of the campuses separately, as is evident in this database. So those are three reputable sources which list the campuses as separate post-secondary institutions. The MSCHE even gives each institution its own "Institution Code." Therefore, since three very credible sources list the institutions as being independent, we will list them independently from one another here. If necessary, we can take this matter to Wikipedia:Mediation Committee. -- West Virginian (talk) 18:32, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

West Virginian, thank you for explaining your opposition. However, as I pointed out above, the MSCHE page lists DTCC as a single institution, the other campuses having been consolidated into it. Note the "Last Commission Action: To acknowledge receipt of the complex substantive change request and to approve the accreditation of Delaware Technical Community College as a single institution with four campuses, effective July 1, 2015." As for the Carnegie Classification, as I mentioned above, it is only a source, it is not any kind of "standard for Wikipedia". It is a good starting point, but we should not blindly follow this source when it is demonstrably wrong. You mentioned criteria set by the Department of Education and the Carnegie Classification, but where are these criteria? I don't think I've ever seen an explanation of how they determine whether a particular group of campuses should be treated as a single institution. Toohool (talk) 19:35, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

@West Virginian: No reply, so I assume you are convinced. Toohool (talk) 20:06, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

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