Talk:List of Australia Test cricketers

Latest comment: 6 years ago by Tonyglaser in topic Data types are not numeric


Strewth - that was quick work - well done! jguk 17:41, 3 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Thanks - you've done a terrific job to get them all listed. Now for the real work - writing biogs for them all! I'll help with the early ones when I have the time. MulgaBill 21:09, 3 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

I've made a tiny start - disambiguating a few - I'm using the style Bill Bloggs (cricketer)|Bill Bloggs - unless anyone has a better idea. (I know, I know, Bill Bloggs never played for Australia - he was West Indian wasn't he?) MulgaBill 21:17, 3 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Status

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392 cricketers. Blue links:

  • 100 August 6 2005
  • 134 August 19
  • 144 August 21
  • 181 August 25
  • 200 September 1 (51%, we're halfway!)

Alick Bannerman?

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MulgaBill changed Alec Bannerman to Alick Bannerman (and moved the associated article). But Cricinfo calls him Alec. Is Cricinfo wrong? Stephen Turner 10:52, 12 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

  • Jack Pollard, "doyen of Australian cricket writers", consistently calls him 'Alick', which was the way I was brought up to believe. However, as Tintin says, both versions are used, and I note that both Moyes (in the 1950s) and Martin-Jenkins (1980) use 'Alec'. I probably erred in drawing attention to the spelling - after all his deeds are what should be remembered, not the spelling of his name! MulgaBill 12:06, 12 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

I think it was Alick. What do CricketArchive and the Wisden of the day say? jguk 23:21, 12 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Updating stats

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I just reverted an edit made by User:Rogerthat when he updated the stats for just three of the players. I think we need to update all the stats at once, and the date at the top, otherwise we won't know what's up to date when.

Nevertheless, we do have a significant problem here. Updating all the stats is just too onerous. Do we have any solution to this?

Stephen Turner 10:19, 20 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

I'm planning to write a spreadsheet and upload it somewhere - I think it has to take stats from howstat, not quite sure how yet, though. Been a bit busy lately. Sam Vimes 12:43, 20 November 2005 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, it's a bugger of a job, having done it once (after the initial upload). I found the easiest way was to go to the Howstats country/test players page, select current players only, and print that page out. Then, armed with a hardcopy just work through the list - took about 20 mins. And you have to convert overs to balls as you go. I suppose copy-pasting into a spreadsheet would allow a) removal of 50, 100, 5no, 10no columns, b) calculation of balls, and c) sort by date -- Iantalk 13:58, 20 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

I can do it programmatically (and have done so). This has dropped the "-" in the career indicating a current player, though. I've run my eye over it, it looks accurate but check it out. And do the Cricinfo links look a little messy? --Paul 06:56, 8 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Lovely. :) The Cricinfo links really aren't that necessary IMO, they were only added for easy access to the stats whenever a manual update was to be done. I think it could well be done without. You couldn't do some of the other pages as well, that'd be really appreciated! Sam Vimes 07:57, 8 December 2005 (UTC)Reply
You're referring to the pages for other countries? Should be doable, the England page will have to take on the same format though. I've also removed the CricInfo links.--Paul 09:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)Reply
Yep. I don't think anyone would mind greatly if England got changed to the same style - I'll put a note on that talk page, though, so other editors can see it. Sam Vimes 09:30, 8 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Nicknames

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I think caution is needed when using nicknames and diminutives. Bill Lawry and Norm O'Neill are probably OK, but not 'Tup' Scott, 'Tibby' Cotter, or 'Garth' McKenzie. Or should we be consistent and have articles for "Tugga" Waugh, "Tubby" Taylor, and "Pigeon" McGrath?? Let's not, eh! MulgaBill 23:11, 3 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

I see it as not so much nicknames, but how they were commonly referred to e.g Plum Warner, which isn't the case with Tubby et al. I've changed a few going by what CricInfo calls them e.g. Pud Thurlow, but I guess you'd have to be there to decide whether it was a "nickname" or a "better known as" --Paul 05:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC)Reply
Gosh - what a lot of blue links :) Almost ready for WP:FLC? The glaring omission is is a "References" section (presumably the external links are references?). -- ALoan (Talk) 22:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

What do you think?

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Hey. I remember raising this sometime before but I don't remember looking back at it for an answer. What would people if the list looked like this?:

Cap Name Debut Matches Final Specialty
1 Charles Bannerman[1] March 15 1877 3 January 4 1879 Batsman
2 Jack Blackham[2] March 15 1877 35 December 20 1894 Batsman
Wicket-keeper
3 Bransby Cooper[3] March 15 1877 1 March 15 1877 Batsman
4 Tom Garrett[4] March 15 1877 19 February 15 1888 All-rounder
5 Dave Gregory[5] March 15 1877 3 January 4 1879 Batsman
6 Ned Gregory[6] March 15 1877 1 March 15 1877 Batsman
7 John Hodges[7] March 15 1877 2 April 4 1877 Bowler
8 Tom Horan[8] March 15 1877 15 March 25 1885 Batsman
9 Tom Kendall[9] March 15 1877 2 April 4 1877 All-rounder
10 Billy Midwinter[10] March 15 1877 12 March 1 1887 Batsman
11 Nat Thomson[11] March 15 1877 2 April 4 1887 Batsman
12 Thomas Kelly[12] March 31 1877 2 January 4 1889 Batsman
13 Billy Murdoch[13] March 31 1877 2 January 4 1889 Batsman

References

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  1. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". Charles Bannerman (Australia). Retrieved 2007-05-15.
  2. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". Jack Blackham (Australia). Retrieved 2007-05-15.
  3. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". Bransby Cooper (Australia). Retrieved 2007-05-15.
  4. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". Tom Garrett (Australia). Retrieved 2007-05-15.
  5. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". Dave Gregory (Australia). Retrieved 2007-05-15.
  6. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". Ned Gregory (Australia). Retrieved 2007-05-15.
  7. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". John Hodges (Australia). Retrieved 2007-05-15.
  8. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". Tom Horan (Australia). Retrieved 2007-05-15.
  9. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". Tom Kendall (Australia). Retrieved 2007-05-15.
  10. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". Billy Midwinter. Retrieved 2007-05-15.
  11. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". Nat Thomson. Retrieved 2007-12-26.
  12. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". Thomas Kelly. Retrieved 2007-12-26.
  13. ^ "Cricinfo - Players and Officials". Billy Murdoch. Retrieved 2007-12-26.

xxxx-2008

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Is it usual in Australia to describe a cricketer's active Test career as xxxx-2008 - for example: 1999-2008 for Brett Lee - even when the cricketer is still getting picked? In the UK (and other places, I am sure), it would be more common to write xxxx- with no second year, so Brett Lee becomes simply 1999-. Otherwise there is no distinguishing between players who are still active and players who have retired in 2008. I would have just changed it, but I thought this could be a local difference so thought to consult on the matter first. -Estesark (talk) 05:51, 21 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

I'd agree with you - I would prefer to see the year range open ended. I guess someone will raise the question of a cricketer such as Shane Watson. He hasn't been picked for a few years and is a still an active ODI and first-class cricketer. In this case I'd still leave the range open. He might well come back to Test level. --Perry Middlemiss (talk) 06:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

List of players

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Why does the list of players have the correct number (405) while the category says 399 have played test cricket for Australia? I checked the list and all the links are blue. I'm assuming there must be 6 players who don't have "Australian Test Cricketers" as a category, is there an easier way to check then going through all 405? Paulyt (talk) 01:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

It was a manually entered figure and is now fixed. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 01:48, 3 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

I clicked on "Edit this page" and couldn't see it. i musn't have looked too well. Thanks for the quick reply. Paulyt (talk) 04:03, 3 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Oh, it's right at the top lol Paulyt (talk) 04:08, 3 January 2009 (UTC)Reply

Formatting

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I've highlighted the names of current players to be bold to bring this table into line with other Australian cricket tables. I've also removed the end-year for current players. --Perry Middlemiss (talk) 01:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

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Data types are not numeric

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Hi - this is a fascinating page I just happened across here. The only thing is, I'm guessing there's some kind of XML or Excel database behind it, anyway, the numbers aren't numeric, if that makes sense. In other words, they're just standard text. Which means, among other things, the columns are left-justified, whereas numbers are usually right-justified. More significantly, if you try to sort ascending or descending you get funny results, for example 1200 will rank higher than 11000. It's still a nice interesting page. Cheers, Tonyglaser (talk) 22:32, 23 November 2017 (UTC)TonyReply