Talk:Batman

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2024

Dananananananana Dananananananana Batman! ImaPerson hello (talk) 10:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Nope.avi ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 10:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Splitting proposal

Given the article's length, I propose dividing both sections, "Other versions" and "Cultural impact and legacy," into separate articles. Lililolol (talk) 01:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Opposed: I propose the article stays as it is, as many people went to great lengths to source a cultural icon, only for a reduction of information. Who is complaining that the article is too long? WhistlersDog (talk) 13:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Merge proposal

I propose merging Batman (Jace Fox) into Batman as he is, in my opinion, not old enough or notable enough to warrant his own article and as most of that article deals with in-universe information. Year2006 (talk) 12:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Opposed: I believe the Batman article is too lengthy. It's better to either keep Batman (Jace Fox) as a separate article or merge it with the list of other versions of Batman, deleting the collection section if you choose to merge it with the latter. Lililolol (talk) 22:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

The other versions section and article deal with non-comic and Elseworlds versions of Batman; Batman (Jace Fox) goes in the "Others" sub-section of the "Characterization" section.

I also think that content from the Batman (Jace Fox) article doesn't needs to be transferred, as the vast majority of it is in-universe information, and that the sentence that deals with him in this article is sufficient. Year2006 (talk) 05:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Year2006 If it doesn't to be transferred then it should be a redirect instead of merge. Lililolol (talk) 18:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Opposed: There's precedent for articles of Batman characters with even less appearances such as the original Batwoman, Kathy Kane, or Bluebird (Harper Row), to keep their individual status. As well as characters like Batman (Terry McGinnis) having their own page. Batman (Jace Fox) is in the primary canon with more appearances to come, thus it would make little sense to relegate him to lesser than those. The Above All Others (talk) 12:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Kathy Kane is a decades-old character and Terry McGinnis was made to be a protagonist of a tv show. The Harper Row article should not have been made when it was made but I do think that its existence is appropriate now considering her usage in Gotham Knights Year2006 (talk) 14:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Is it a policy that a character must be old enough to merit its own article like Kathy? And Terry McGinnis was created as the protagonist of a TV show, but does that mean he is notable enough to have his own article? The same question applies to Harper Row. Lililolol (talk) 16:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

This doesn't translate to Wikipedia policy but it is indisputable that those characters are more notable than Jace Fox. In terms of the Wikipedia notability policy, both Terry McGinnis and Kathy Kane clearly qualify to have their own article but Harper Row probably does not. Year2006 (talk) 18:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Jace Fox was created in 1979, he is decades-old as well. Kathy Kane has only about 20 more appearances than Jace and an equal amount of adaptations, really. I do not see the difference. The Above All Others (talk) 21:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I mistook Kathy Kane with Kate Kane but they are fundamentally the same character and the former's article is backed up by a scholarly source. Also, there is a clearly a difference between them; Kathy Kane was created to be a love interest and a deuteragonist while Timothy Fox was created to be a side character. Year2006 (talk) 04:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Opposed: Like others said, If Terry can have his own page as well as the originally Kathy Kane, there's no reason why Jace Fox's Batman, who at least stars his own solo and is a notably different version of Batman enough, can have his own.JayAaerow (talk)